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First post, by Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman

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A friend of mine has made an intriguing point on his own board regarding RIAA:

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I have zero sympathy left for people who buy stuff from the RIAA and company. That's right, I am done with the buyers. They get exactly what they deserve.

The RIAA fuckwads would have absolutely no power if people would just stop fucking buying their shit. With the frequency of these attacks, people should know better by now.

Thus, I decided to check my collection against list of RIAA members. After all, I have stopped listening to shitty, "MTV Top Fourties" mainstream music for years, so I guess my favorites should be FREE of anything associated with RIAA.

Okay, let's pick some samples:

Moby
Published by Mute , which was acquired by EMI in 2002. EMI is, of course, one of the RIAA's big four. Fuck.

Cafe del Mar series
This includes Cafe del Mar: Dreams, Cafe del Mar Chill House Mix, and Cafe del Mar Aria. I thought this one is independent since it is club compilation anyway. Alas, when taking a closer look at the covers (something I've actually never done), turned out the series is published by Universal Records. Sonuvabitch!

Buddha Bar series
It is a good thing that the French club compilations is published by some unknown label named George V Records. Ha!

Back to Mine series
Again, this one is published by Dance Music Collective, which is not listed as RIAA member. Yay!

Late Night Tales / Another Late Night series
Published by Azuli Records, which is an independent record label. Hah.

Nick Warren
Seven of his albums were published by Global Underground, which is again, another independent record label. Go fuck yourself, RIAA.

Chicane
Behind The Sun was published by Xtravaganza, while Sommersault is published by Modena. Well, at least none of them found in RIAA member list.

Tiësto
He's got his own record label; Black Hole Recordings. Furthermore, it's a Dutch record label. A safe pick!

Putumayo series
Published by, guess what, Putumayo World Music. Now that's what I called independent!

Smoma
As far as I knew, this indie, electric jazz band has only released two albums: Casual Lounge and Smoma and Friends, which were published by C&B Media. It's a good thing that the label is not RIAA member. Yay!

Brand New Heavies
Turned out Chrysalis record is a member of RIAA. Aaaargh!!!

Moloko
Sing it back, sing it back.... Still my favorite tune to hum during shower and masturbation . Fortunately, Echo Records is not RIAA member.

Jamiroquai
Columbia/Sony BMG. Enough said. Gah!

Soulstice
Quite relieving to discover that Wandering Soul is not part of RIAA. Whew.

Kosheen
Anyone who clubbed/raved heavily during early 2000s should remember the following lyrics:
If you were in my heart, I'd surely not break you
If you were beside me, and my love would take you
I'll keep you in safety, forever protect you
I'll hide you away from the world you rejected...

Moksha Record is not a member of RIAA, but they have collaborated with the likes of Universal and Sony BMG in publishing Kosheen's albums; do they count?

So if I boycott RIAA, I'll lose Moby, Cafe del Mar, Brand New Heavies, and Jamiroquai. I think it's not that bad when I can still keep buying Buddha Bar, Back To Mine, and Late Night Tales. How about about you?

Never thought this thread would be that long, but now, for something different.....
Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman.

Reply 1 of 11, by leileilol

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it's not hard for me because i never care about music from the recent days from the new artists and such, and since new music is terrible anyway I don't buy anything but stick with the cds I already had purchased in the 80s/90s. I don't even think it's worth downloading them either 😁

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Reply 2 of 11, by DosFreak

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Didn't start listening to music until about 2004. (24yrs old). Seriously, I would listen to whatever music my parents (Country) had on or friends music while I was visiting but that's about it. Bought my first audio CD in 2004.

I did accumulate alot of MP3 music from 1999-today. (Didn't start listening ot it until about 2004) Starting in about 2004 I started organizing it and started slowly buying Audio CD's but only if the CD contains alot of music I listen to in my collection. If it's only 3 or 4 songs then I don't bother. I don't "rent" movies or music and I don't buy DRM music....and I wouldn't waste money on lossy music anyway so I've been kind of stuck as to how I'd buy the music. There are probably websites where you can buy losessless but that's too much work for me considering I still have a ton of MP3's to sort through.....

So I don't really care about RIAA or not. All I care about is if I buy the music that's it's lossless, no DRM and it's worth the price. Those right there are more than enough complication for me to deal with without also having to worry about the RIAA.

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Reply 3 of 11, by Xian97

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My answer would be similar to leileilol. I bought most of the music I listen to years ago. There might be an album or two a year coming out now that I would have bought but I am like your friend and won't purchase any music from an RIAA source. For example, I heard the new Eagles CD the other day and liked a few tracks but I would rather do without instead of lining their pockets.

In contrast, when Napster was still around I bought more music than I had since the 70s/early 80s since I was exposed to more different types of music than will ever be played on the radio here. I haven't bought anything since Napster was shut down.

My personal opinion is that the decline in music sales that the RIAA blames on piracy is due to other factors. Around 2000 the RIAA had real competition for your entertainment spending for the first time. DVDs had come down to affordable prices, and the PS2 and Xbox were launched around then. Before, all you had to spend your money on was music, suddenly there were many more choices. Of course there were still computer games or VHS tapes, but they just didn't have the mass market appeal that the current range of consoles and DVDs have.

Reply 4 of 11, by WolverineDK

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Well I also bought the music I listen to now a days years ago. And the last Depeche Mode album I officially bought was Ultra and that was before MUTE got bought by EMI , and the next album (ecxiter) that I got my hands on about 3 months before it got released. Ever since then I haven´t bought many albums, other than old bootlegs and LPs.

Reply 5 of 11, by butterfly

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I have an original audio tapes collection, sometimes I still listen to them through some old tape players and tens-of-times-repaired walkmen and a collection of CD's of my favourite artist.
I still buy some CD's from time to time when I want to own a full artwork (song, media and jewel-box decorations)
but honestly how many CD's are actually worth buying nowadays?
That's why I get more sticky to the radio, since most of these songs once they made their (short) time they are gone for ever, just like a paper feed for your printer: When it's finished you need new paper.
The rest that's not that way I buy the CD.
This is just my opinion but I think the musical recording industy claims to be in a crisis because they are selling shyt and that's the reason why people don't buy records, NOT because people download music.
The possibility of downloading music from the internet, or to listen to audio samples from a new record brought up a more mature (I'm not referring to age) audience because it gave people the possibility to know a wider range of artists and genres, thus getting to know "unknown" or self-produced artists that don't distribute their music on the mainstream channels.
The music industry is not satisfying these tastes criteria.
Furthermore the RIAA (not the music companies themselves) is dilapidating fortunes in legal actions and is making an awful public image of the music industry itself.
That's why there's no need to boycott the RIAA, they're doing so by themselves.

Reply 6 of 11, by avatar_58

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Guy whats the point, the RIAA basically makes all their money on lawsuits. You can't win.

Reply 7 of 11, by butterfly

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I'm not trying to win. I'm not even fighting! I think no one here is. The point is that RIAA is damaging the music and motion pictures industries - period.

Reply 8 of 11, by Snover

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@avatar_58 -- You're out of your mind if you think the RIAA is actually making money off their lawsuits. 😳

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Reply 9 of 11, by avatar_58

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It seems that way to me. Didn't you hear about the case where they forced some grandma to pay because her grandson downloaded like a dozen songs at her house one time?

Or the other case where someone had to pay a few hundred bucks per song?

I don't doubt the RIAA is fighting a losing battle, but it seems whenever they are in the red they just hunt down the easiest target and fire away.

Reply 10 of 11, by Snover

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You're vastly underestimating how expensive lawyers are, and how many lawsuits they've got going on right now. 😀

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Reply 11 of 11, by butterfly

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avatar_58 wrote:

I don't doubt the RIAA is fighting a losing battle, but it seems whenever they are in the red they just hunt down the easiest target and fire away.

What is your opinion about what this will shortly lead to?

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I don't believe such a RIAA line is effectively fighting the actual "pirate circuits". It's just making people think such things as "I bought a CD, will I go to jail if I convert it to listen to it on my iPod/mp3 reader/phone?", "my daughter was listening to the music at her computer, is she a criminal?", "If mp3 is illegal, why do they sell mp3 players?", "Why recording a movie or TV-show to a magnetic tape with my VCR was not so illegal as recording it with a TV DVD digital recorder?", "And if it's so illegal why are such apparatuses which allow that without any trick being currently advertised and legally sold?" and so forth, you know how long we could continue. And you know that's what common people think.