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First post, by Markk

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I have a board that a friend gave me about a year ago, that I hadn't tried so much. It's written J-656C on it, so I guess the manufacturer might be Jetboard. It has Intel 430FX chipset, and it doesn't have dual voltage settings. There is only a jumper block that can make a selection between 3.3/3.45/3.6v. I had a P54 Pentium 133MHz on it, and I thought to replace it with a 166MHz MMX, just to see what happens. It starts ok, and it says Pentium-S 166MHz. Then I try a 200MHz one, and starts fine, the same way. So I thought to try also a 233MHz MMX, and setting the multiplier to 1.5x as the board indicates that the higher setting is 3x. It starts fine again, but it says again Pentium-S 200MHz. Then I thought to ruun speedsys, and I got that screen :
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I'm a little amazed by that, as it seems to be working ok. My regular P233MMX has lower memory bandwidth(200MB/s) and was higher only when I had overclocked the CPU up to to 292MHz(250MB/s). Also the other board has a cpu score of 176,8, which is a little higher, but it also has 512kb level 2 cache memory, instead of 256kb that this board has.
Another thing that is weird, is the memory bandwidth of the vga card I used. It's a simple cirrus logic 5436 with 1MB ram I have just for testing boards. 25000+ kb/s is by far the highest of all the PCI cards I've got.... The Diamond 3D 2000(virge) with 4MB I have on my other pc, scores about 15500kb/s.
Then I run 3dbench 1.0c, and I get 160fps using the CL card. I replace the CL card with a S3 trio64V+ based one, with 2MB ram, and then it scored 165,2fps on 3dbench, whereas my other "good" board, with "official" mmx support, and the same cpu and the 4mb virge card scores 164,8fps.....

Reply 1 of 9, by Old Thrashbarg

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The MMX chips will usually work on Socket 5 boards, but there's a good chance it'll damage the CPU if you run it for very long. The usual solution is just to use one of those plug-in voltage adapters, or one of those upgrade CPUs with a voltage adapter built-in.

Reply 2 of 9, by Markk

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Excuse my question, which may sound silly. Socket 5 are commonly called those that don't support dual voltage cpus? The actual socket on the board has written socket 7 on it. I suppose that doesn't change much, right?

Now, the I'm really impressed by the performance of that Cirrus Logic card. I tried also a 5440 one, which was a lot slower(7500kb/s) and in 3dbench it did 110fps. And I found also a 5434 one, which scored 17500kb/s and 139fps in 3dbench. The difference in speed measured in speedsys, seems to affect the 3dbench results the same way. But the 5436 seems to be slightly slower than the S3 trio64/virge cards I've got, and that seems a little weird...

Reply 4 of 9, by Old Thrashbarg

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Yeah, the split voltage support was basically the only difference between the two sockets. S7 had one extra pin to allow for that, but everything else was the same. There were some early "Socket 7" boards that didn't actually support the dual voltages, though, which does make things a bit confusing.

Reply 5 of 9, by Tetrium

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Old Thrashbarg wrote:

Yeah, the split voltage support was basically the only difference between the two sockets. S7 had one extra pin to allow for that, but everything else was the same. There were some early "Socket 7" boards that didn't actually support the dual voltages, though, which does make things a bit confusing.

Yup, iirc I have an old Octek S7 board that doesn't have split voltage.
Can't remember having ever seena Socket 5 board that does support split voltage.

However, iirc there was also a difference between s7 and s5, their hight was different or something.

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Reply 6 of 9, by swaaye

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This is one reason that WinChip 2 was interesting. It'll run in Socket 5 and 7. The only compatibility problem I've run into is motherboards that have BIOSs that check for and require the "GenuineIntel" CPU string. Evil Intel OEM motherboards.

It also has MMX and 3DNow, but it's not exactly a speed demon. But it's also quite cool running. It should be competitive with Pentium MMX though.

Reply 7 of 9, by Tetrium

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swaaye wrote:

This is one reason that WinChip 2 was interesting. It'll run in Socket 5 and 7. The only compatibility problem I've run into is motherboards that have BIOSs that check for and require the "GenuineIntel" CPU string. Evil Intel OEM motherboards.

It also has MMX and 3DNow, but it's not exactly a speed demon. But it's also quite cool running. It should be competitive with Pentium MMX though.

There were btw adapters made. And if you don't want that, theres also the Pentium MMX Overdrive.

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Reply 8 of 9, by swaaye

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I just use a ASUS P5A for all of my Socket 7 adventures and it'll run anything. That's how I did my 133MHz challenge thread. But if I had a Socket 5 board I would probably just use a WinChip 2 since it's in the drawer and it's speedy enough really.

I am intrigued by that chip because it's the only 3DNow-supporting CPU other than AMD's. Centaur designed it to be this tiny little core. It's similar to a 486 in some ways but it performs a lot better. The VIA C3 is pretty much the same CPU too. I also don't think it has compatibility problems like Cyrix stuff.

Reply 9 of 9, by Tetrium

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swaaye wrote:

I just use a ASUS P5A for all of my Socket 7 adventures and it'll run anything. That's how I did my 133MHz challenge thread. But if I had a Socket 5 board I would probably just use a WinChip 2 since it's in the drawer and it's speedy enough really.

I am intrigued by that chip because it's the only 3DNow-supporting CPU other than AMD's. Centaur designed it to be this tiny little core. It's similar to a 486 in some ways but it performs a lot better. The VIA C3 is pretty much the same CPU too. I also don't think it has compatibility problems like Cyrix stuff.

I agree with you about the Winchip. It's definitely one of the more interesting CPU's. But alas, all my Socket 5 boards are those crappy oem Intel ones -_-

Oh wait, except perhaps that Octek Socket 7 monorail board. It's HX too 😀

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