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First post, by feipoa

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I've begun some tests overclocking an Intel DX4-100 (16KB WB) to 133 MHz. At 3.9 volts, it seems to be able to complete all the DOS tests from the U4BC except for Quake. Quake will complete at 5 V.

I cannot boot into Win98SE at 3.9V, but I can boot into Win2000 at 3.9V. I tried 4 V, but still cannot boot into Win98SE. At 5 V, the base feels awefully hot and I'm not sure if I want to run it at 5 V to boot into Win98SE to complete the Windows U4BC tests.

So my question is, does anyone know the voltage tolerance of these Intel DX4-100-WB chips? I know it is designed for 3.3 V operation, but perhaps others have run them at 5 V without issue?

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Reply 1 of 8, by DonutKing

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Can't answer for Intel but I ran an Am486DX4-100 for a few months at 5V.
Only reason was that my motherboard was 5V only and wouldn't work with an Intel DX4 Overdrive, or a Pentium Overdrive. It worked fine with the AMD DX4, which has only 8KB cache compared to the 16kb of the Intel DX4.
I believe the chipset or BIOS just didn't like the extra cache.

Anyway, I had a heatsink and fan on it, and it didn't really get that hot, and I never noticed any problems. I've since swapped the motherboard to one that works with a DX4 overdrive.

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Reply 2 of 8, by feipoa

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I think the later AMD units are known for having a 5 V tolerance. As I have a somewhat rarer Intel DX4 w/WB cache, I don't want to stess it out at 5 V for Windows tests unless someone here has had some long-term experience with Intel DX4's at 5 V. I'd really like to add the Intel DX4-133 to the U4BC, but don't want to fry it in the process.

Btw, the DOS results for the Intel DX4-133 are quite good. It breaks the double digit barrier in Pcpbench,

Pcpbench = 10.3 [VESA Modus 100, 640x400 8bpp LFB].
Doom1 timedemo 3 = 60.2 fps
Quake1 timedemo 1 = 16.5 fps
3Dbench = 90.0

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Reply 3 of 8, by DonutKing

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FWIW the AmDX4 I was using said 3 VOLT on top and made no mention of 5 volts. From what I can find on the internet it appears some AmDX2's were 3.3V/5V tolerant but there's nothing to suggest the DX4's were. but since I've never tried a non-overdrive Intel DX4 at 5V for any real length of time I can't really provide a real answer.

Reply 4 of 8, by feipoa

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SpeedSys results for the Intel DX4-133. It falls in somewhere between an AMD X5-133 and an AMD X5-160.

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Reply 5 of 8, by mr_bigmouth_502

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You should try watercooling it. 🤣

Reply 6 of 8, by feipoa

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If it can be run at 150 MHz, then some alternative to fan cooling might be worth it, but at 133 MHz, an AMD X5-160 is already faster.

Here's an interesting question, is the Intel DX4-100 w/WB cache considered a P24C or a P24D?

The Intel DX4-100 w/ WT cache is often called a P24C, while the Intel DX2-66 w/WB cache is often called a P24D. So what is the DX4-100-WB called?

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Reply 7 of 8, by sliderider

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feipoa wrote:

If it can be run at 150 MHz, then some alternative to fan cooling might be worth it, but at 133 MHz, an AMD X5-160 is already faster.

Here's an interesting question, is the Intel DX4-100 w/WB cache considered a P24C or a P24D?

The Intel DX4-100 w/ WT cache is often called a P24C, while the Intel DX2-66 w/WB cache is often called a P24D. So what is the DX4-100-WB called?

Do you have a part number for the WB version? That might help in finding more info.

Reply 8 of 8, by feipoa

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sliderider wrote:

Do you have a part number for the WB version? That might help in finding more info.

The CPUID for the WB version is noted in the U4BC and is SK096.

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