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First post, by mills26

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Hi

I would like to have an old pc for ms-dos games and some windows programs.

What do you think of Toshiba Satellite 480cdt?

This is what i found:

CPU: Pentium 233
RAM: 32 MB
Sound: OPL3 card?
CD, Floppy, USB and PS2 ports.
VGA out for another screen.
Video ?? (2 MB video i found, i don't think it is a 3dfx card...)

Thanks a lot!

Reply 1 of 13, by senrew

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I have exactly this laptop for my portable DOS gaming.

It's actually a 233MMX, the sound card is an OPL3-SAx. The video is a C&T 65555 with 2mb video ram.

It's decent, the sound is pretty standard SBPro compatible. Under Windows of any kind, it actually does have some kind of Wavetable audio, but that part doesn't work in DOS.

It's pretty capable, just make sure to plug in a mouse as that trackpoint nub thing sucks for games. The screen isn't horrible, I can play Duke3D on it without too much blurring.

Halcyon: PC Chips M525, P100, 64MB, Millenium 1, Voodoo1, AWE64, DVD, Win95B

Reply 2 of 13, by leileilol

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C&T 65K can be slow and does have some strange VESA bugs... like colors ending up blue in SVGA.

Also it's hard to have a fast Windows 9X driver for it. Windows 2000 and SciTech Display Doctor allow to make full speed of it through linear framebuffer writes but SDD has stability issues in setting modes. Also if you try it with SDD's video test sequence you'll see the screen blur fade into white pearly colors and burn off 😀

The nicest thing about it is the durability of the battery...

Also there is no 3dfx chipset for any laptop. Laptop 3d acceleration arrived very late. It only gets decent starting with Geforce2Go and Mobility Radeon 9000. Anything before that, you'd have to put up with s3 prosavage, mobility rage, trident cyberblade.. all with varying glitches in games and very poor performance.

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Reply 3 of 13, by mills26

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I think the battery is surelly dead years ago... 😀. I'll get it for about 15 Euro or less, i hope. And i'll be happy to play games like ignition or supaplex (i like it more than the amiga version).

Another question, Is it noisy?

Could you post a link with some drivers for dos and windows 98?. I saw it working on a photo, it looked like being at vga 16 colors in windows. it looks like the owner doesn't know what's a computer at all, and it has no drivers. He also says he sells the computer because you just can practice writing with it 😀.

Thanks a lot, if i get it, i'll post some videos.

Reply 4 of 13, by leileilol

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For the CT65555 Windows 98 has a driver for it on the CD and will install it, Win95 will need a driver obtained separately.

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Reply 5 of 13, by senrew

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http://support.toshiba.com

Type in Satellite Pro 480CDT and you'll get the drivers for any of the OSs you need.

Mine anyway, isn't noisy at all. Also, If I let the battery charge for a few days and run it down, and recharge a few times, the battery will last a few hours. Well, for mine anyway.

EDIT: Not quite DOS gaming related, but here's a video I made running Pandora on mine a few years ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTqI9172X8E

Halcyon: PC Chips M525, P100, 64MB, Millenium 1, Voodoo1, AWE64, DVD, Win95B

Reply 6 of 13, by mills26

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I finally got it!

CD is working Perfect
It has 64 MB ram
OPL3 is there!
Battery is not dead yet!

Now before i fill a cd with games and things, i discovered a usb port, and it tried to install drivers for my 2 GB mp3.

What USB driver can I install? is there a "universal" or generic usb driver, or do i have to install drivers for every usb i plug in?

Widows cd did not install any "usb storage" drivers so I want to know a working driver before i burn it into a cd.

Thanks.

Reply 7 of 13, by senrew

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I have a generic USB driver that I used with mine, however, I think it'll only work under Windows 98. I currently have 95C on mine and it doesn't recognize a lot of usb drives even with this driver, however, under 98 it recognizes everything. I'll post up a link to it here when I get home.

You should be able to do a search for "generic usb driver" here and find some that others have used successfully.

One thing you need to remember when burning CDs for this machine is that the drives don't always recognize CD-RWs. Mine has the 10x module and it only reads CD-Rs. The 12x module that was optional on newer models of this laptop works and recognizes the other disc types.

Halcyon: PC Chips M525, P100, 64MB, Millenium 1, Voodoo1, AWE64, DVD, Win95B

Reply 8 of 13, by mills26

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senrew wrote:

I have a generic USB driver that I used with mine, however, I think it'll only work under Windows 98. I currently have 95C on mine and it doesn't recognize a lot of usb drives even with this driver, however, under 98 it recognizes everything. I'll post up a link to it here when I get home.

You should be able to do a search for "generic usb driver" here and find some that others have used successfully.

One thing you need to remember when burning CDs for this machine is that the drives don't always recognize CD-RWs. Mine has the 10x module and it only reads CD-Rs. The 12x module that was optional on newer models of this laptop works and recognizes the other disc types.

I found a generic usb driver for win 98, i will use it to copy all ms-dos games and programs so that i don't have to use cd anymore 😀. I'll search again here anyway.

I already tested some cd-r 700 MB i have with old games... it reads them ok, so i'll use the last empty one to copy the drivers.

Thanks!

Reply 9 of 13, by leileilol

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You don't have any ethernet card or external floppy drive?

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Reply 10 of 13, by mills26

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leileilol wrote:

You don't have any ethernet card or external floppy drive?

No... just cd and usb in windows 98. I'll use windows to transfer files, and then restart in dos 😀.

Reply 11 of 13, by mills26

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The generic USB driver did not work. 🙁

I also found that the opl3 is not recognized by windows games (it works if you play a midi fife).

And also the windows 98 ms-dos restart is not very good.

Do you think i'd better install freedos?

Thanks

Reply 12 of 13, by leileilol

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You'd be limiting yourself even more if you install FreeDOS. I don't think that even boots Win3.1 yet

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Reply 13 of 13, by mills26

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I did it!

This laptop is working really well, i installed a generic usb, so that i can transfer anything i want to it.

OPL3 playback is perfect, i tried "adplay" to play opl3 tunes. Is there any other adlib player for dos?

Here is the PC running windows 98se and two of my favorite games, Ignition and fuzzy's minigolf 😀.

http://db.tt/eEvFOzhj
Windows 98 SE

http://db.tt/Up3zgKHc
Ignition

http://db.tt/csuujxZp
Minigolf