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First post, by soviet conscript

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I've been having a horrible time trying to find a full height card to pair with my SB for midi. I wanted a full height card cause I didn't want to mess around with a cable and mounting for my daughterboard but in the end it would probably of been less hassle. originally I used an audio excel but for reasons beyond comprehension it had issues with some games (duke3d)

so today I got this card after hearing good things about ESS

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unfortunately I cant configure it. I found software for it and it tells me its settings and gives me options to change them but when I try to change them it just beeps and does not allow any changes. My guess it because it used jumpers and is not PnP but I cant find a layout and jumper settings for this card anywhere. currently the midi port is disabled and I cant seem to be able to enable it. also When this card is installed MY SB won't work because of a DMA conflict but when I try to change my SB's DMA it tells me that all the DMA numbers are in use? I'm just going to try triel and error with the jumpers right now but a layout would be nice.

Reply 1 of 5, by badmojo

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That chipset should be totally configurable via software - what sort of motherboard are we talking here, and what OS? Have you tried removing the SB16 and running the config for the Audiodrive? Where did you get the driver?

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Reply 2 of 5, by soviet conscript

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badmojo wrote:

That chipset should be totally configurable via software - what sort of motherboard are we talking here, and what OS? Have you tried removing the SB16 and running the config for the Audiodrive? Where did you get the driver?

motherboard: FIC PA-2013
OS: DOS 6.22

even with the SB removed I get the same issues. fails to set any new settings. even moving the jumpers around apparently changed nothing.

I originally used the drivers i found in the driver archive but they told me I needed Windows. then I found drivers on this post ESS AudioDrive ES1868F - drivers - and how do you disable the gameport / midi port? they seem to detect the card fine and tell me the current settings but I cant change anything.

If I go into a game setup and enter the values that the card is set at it does indeed play BUT
1) I want to use it as a MIDI host with my SB
2) I cant set the volume and mixer levels so its pretty low

after trying some other drivers I can get a mixer program to work but no matter what if this card is installed I am unable to get a free DMA for my sb16 even if I completely disable or change them in the INI file.

Reply 3 of 5, by soviet conscript

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word to the wise, don't mess around with sound cards to much. As my luck would have it I apparently screwed something up royalty. for reasons beyond my understanding after trying different drivers and sound cards something got messed up and I cant configure my sound correctly anymore. I tried going back to my audio excel/sb16 setup I had but for some reason I couldn't set things up as I had prior to fiddling with the ESS card. It would refuse to let me set DMA's and IRQ's so they would not conflict. getting frustrated I removed both cards erased all my sound drivers and any trace of any sound software and started over. I went back to a 1 card setup with my awe32 but...on reinstalling my sb drivers it refuses to let me set the resources. keep in mind there the same drivers I used before that ALWAYS let me set resources in diagnose.exe but now it does it automatically and it sets my IRQ to 10 which games like doom and duke dislike. so now after hours of fiddling I probably have no choice but a complete reformat tomorrow and hope that fixes whatever the bizarre issue is. if I manually adjust the settings in the .BAT to something like IRQ 5 or what the default is it freezes when I go to play a game.

I also discovered this, If I install a SB16 I can choose my resources like normal such as IRQ 5 and DMA 1 but if I install a awe32 I cant, it sticks me with IRQ 10....does anyone know why this is? A few days ago I was using the exact same AWE32 in the same PC and had no trouble with picking resources. when I go into CTMU the creative manager program it tells me IRQ 5 conflicts with my SCSI card and IRQ 7 conflicts with "system devices". why wasn't it conflicting a few days ago? and further more why does the sound blaster 16 NOT conflict with the same IRQ's?

Reply 4 of 5, by elianda

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You can save PnP profiles on the cards and also configure in the BIOS the PnP behavior, so it's not just removing all the drivers/software.
I'd recommend to remove all Legacy reservations in BIOS, set there to PnP-OS=Yes. Then boot up, without configuring the card. Run CTCU and set Profile 1 (Profile 0 is R/O).
Set the same setting in ctpnp.cfg and change the file to R/O. Then run ctcm /T and check the BLASTER variable result afterwards.

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Reply 5 of 5, by soviet conscript

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elianda wrote:

You can save PnP profiles on the cards and also configure in the BIOS the PnP behavior, so it's not just removing all the drivers/software.
I'd recommend to remove all Legacy reservations in BIOS, set there to PnP-OS=Yes. Then boot up, without configuring the card. Run CTCU and set Profile 1 (Profile 0 is R/O).
Set the same setting in ctpnp.cfg and change the file to R/O. Then run ctcm /T and check the BLASTER variable result afterwards.

thank you! your a life saver. I never realized that. I ended up enabling PNP in BIOS then did what you said with CTCU and CTCM. after switching it over to configuration 1 is told me it was conflicting with itself which was funny but running CTCM corrected this. It still won't let me set the resources in diagnose like it did prior but settings are back to something more standard (IRQ 5, DMA 1,5). It was frustrating me at first because my CD drive stopped being detected until I figured out it was conflicting with the IDE port on the AWE32, I never had that issue before but as of now all appears to be working.

and thus ends my traumatic experience with trying to run 2 sound cards in the same machine.....at least for now.

I think the drivers for the Audio Excel are a little funky because at two points messing around with the AE utilities corrupted my Autoexec file, as for the ESS I don't know what its issue was.