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First post, by maximus

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Came across this beauty on Craigslist a few days ago. She's an Asus P5AD2-E Deluxe motherboard, new in box for $25. Probably could talk the guy down a few bucks as well.

It looks like a nice board, but it maxes out at a 3.8 GHz hyperthreaded Pentium 4. I honestly have no use for such a platform at the moment, but it's in such nice shape, and the price is so low... can't help but be a little tempted.

Would you buy this board?

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Reply 1 of 8, by sliderider

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I'm not a fan of Netburst, so I wouldn't buy it if those are the only chips it supports. If it supports Core 2 processors, then it might be a different story.

Reply 2 of 8, by RacoonRider

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sliderider wrote:

I'm not a fan of Netburst, so I wouldn't buy it if those are the only chips it supports. If it supports Core 2 processors, then it might be a different story.

That seems to be the reason for such a low price. https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P5AD2E_Deluxe/#support

No one is a fan of Netburst these days. I personally find it to be another folly of the great marketing giant.

Reply 3 of 8, by obobskivich

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A working 925XE board with a passive northbridge cooler AND 1GB of DDR for $25? That seems like a pretty logical "win" to me, if you have the $25 and time to go pick it up.

Newegg indicates that it supports Pentium 4, Pentium 4 Extreme Edition, and Celeron D - that'd probably make the best choice CPU for it an argument between the 3.73GHz EE, 570J (3.8 1M), and 670 (3.8 2M). Here's a benchmark on Hexus that compares the 3.73, the 570J, and 660:
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/1007-intels … -373ghz/?page=2

And some more from HotHardware with game tests:
http://hothardware.com/Reviews/Intel-Pentium- … essors/?page=11

Why do I bring up the EE? Because a quick look on eBay reveals they aren't much more than the 570/670 chips (they're around $40-$50 from what I quickly looked up, with the 570 and 670 being around $20-$30). There's also the novelty/coolness factor of owning an EE - the "king" of NetBurst chips. At least imho.

Of course you could go with a cooler running Celeron D if you didn't need absolute breakneck performance and/or wanted to quiet things down.

Personally I'd say its a good buy if everything works as advertised - NetBurst chips are a dime a dozen, so you have loads of options for making it into a working system on the cheap, and it has a nice mix of I/O capabilities - supporting more modern hardware (e.g. PCI Express and SATA) as well as older stuff (e.g. Parallel and ATA). It also looks like the 925XE will support Windows 98SE (it doesn't appear to be past the cut-off) along with XP and Vista/7. So that gives you heaps of options for where you want to go with the build.

Reply 4 of 8, by Tetrium

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obobskivich wrote:

There's also the novelty/coolness factor of owning an EE - the "king" of NetBurst chips. At least imho.

qft. This board seems like a good buy if you intend to build some kind of maximum netburst rig around it...even though I'm personally not a fan of netburst, there seems to be plenty people who do find it interesting.

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Reply 5 of 8, by sliderider

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obobskivich wrote:
A working 925XE board with a passive northbridge cooler AND 1GB of DDR for $25? That seems like a pretty logical "win" to me, if […]
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A working 925XE board with a passive northbridge cooler AND 1GB of DDR for $25? That seems like a pretty logical "win" to me, if you have the $25 and time to go pick it up.

Newegg indicates that it supports Pentium 4, Pentium 4 Extreme Edition, and Celeron D - that'd probably make the best choice CPU for it an argument between the 3.73GHz EE, 570J (3.8 1M), and 670 (3.8 2M). Here's a benchmark on Hexus that compares the 3.73, the 570J, and 660:
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/1007-intels … -373ghz/?page=2

And some more from HotHardware with game tests:
http://hothardware.com/Reviews/Intel-Pentium- … essors/?page=11

Why do I bring up the EE? Because a quick look on eBay reveals they aren't much more than the 570/670 chips (they're around $40-$50 from what I quickly looked up, with the 570 and 670 being around $20-$30). There's also the novelty/coolness factor of owning an EE - the "king" of NetBurst chips. At least imho.

Of course you could go with a cooler running Celeron D if you didn't need absolute breakneck performance and/or wanted to quiet things down.

Personally I'd say its a good buy if everything works as advertised - NetBurst chips are a dime a dozen, so you have loads of options for making it into a working system on the cheap, and it has a nice mix of I/O capabilities - supporting more modern hardware (e.g. PCI Express and SATA) as well as older stuff (e.g. Parallel and ATA). It also looks like the 925XE will support Windows 98SE (it doesn't appear to be past the cut-off) along with XP and Vista/7. So that gives you heaps of options for where you want to go with the build.

I had read somewhere that the Gallatin EE was actually faster than the Prescott EE even though the Prescott EE was clocked higher.If you're going to buy it, I recommend one of these to go in it.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Pentium4-661-So … =item4d19566100

The 661 is the fastest of the Cedar Mill Pentium 4's and has much lower power consumption and heat production than Prescott.

Reply 6 of 8, by Skyscraper

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Yes I would buy that motherboard.
I would try to get the price down to $20 though.

The P4 670 is not that slow.
Here are some slightly overclocked performance numbers from one of my tinkering threads.
I am using a motherboard with the same chipset.
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These boards do not support the Cedar Mills. (My board does at least not support them.)

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Reply 7 of 8, by obobskivich

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sliderider wrote:

I had read somewhere that the Gallatin EE was actually faster than the Prescott EE even though the Prescott EE was clocked higher.If you're going to buy it, I recommend one of these to go in it.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Pentium4-661-So … =item4d19566100

The 661 is the fastest of the Cedar Mill Pentium 4's and has much lower power consumption and heat production than Prescott.

The benchmarks I linked to have a Gallatin 3.46 in at least some of the tests. It appears they bounce back and forth for the top spot; so it'd probably be a fine choice too. However a quick look on ebay doesn't return many results for a Gallatin, and those that do come back cost quite a bit vs the 3.73 or the 5xx/6xx chips.

Reply 8 of 8, by maximus

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Well, it's a moot point now - looks like someone bought it.

If I were to invest in a Pentium 4 Extreme Edition, I'd rather it be the Pentium D 965, which this board claims not to support. So no big loss there.

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