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First post, by fractal5

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Hi, I have an old 486 with a DX2 66 MHz CPU. My system has a turbo switch and the case has the old style LED display which displays the frequency depending on the state of the turbo switch.

The previous owner never seems to have taken the time to configure the pins on this turbo LED display. I finally figured out how the myriad of jumpers control the LEDs on the display. However, now I'm confronted with a more simple problem, but one I'm having some surprising difficulty solving.

What frequency does my 486 DX2 66 MHz CPU run at when the turbo switch is NOT enabled?

Is it 33 MHz? 25? 15? What is it? How can I figure this out? I have a copy of the manual for the mainboard, but it doesn't specify.

I've tried to simply power on the system with the turbo switch depressed and released, but it always displays "66 MHz", I'm assuming this is normal behavior.

I've also tried to boot an old floppy with Tom's Linux on it. However it shows 33 bogomips with the turbo switch pressed and released, even when I boot from scratch with the turbo switch off or on all the way until the OS has started. I find this a bit strange as I believe the bogomips calculation routine simply sees how many NOP instructions the system can execute in a second. So if the turbo switch was actually working, I would expect to see a different result here.

Unfortunately I'm also having a hard time installing DOS or any other OS on this system so far, so I don't have any way to just run a game or a program to see if it works. I've tried to boot ultimate boot CD, but the isolinux bootloader fails to load as the system appears to be old to load it.

However I'd just really like to know what the frequency it should run at when the turbo switch is not pressed so I can finish up with this turbo LED display and move on to putting the computer fully back together before I install an OS on it.

Reply 1 of 6, by PhilsComputerLab

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The FreeDOS installation CD should get you up and running fast for some initial testing.

The LCD display doesn't measure anything. It just displays whatever you configure through the jumpers 😀

I remember on my 386 changing it to HI and LO for that very reason 😀

Also made it easier when I switched hardware.

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Reply 2 of 6, by fractal5

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philscomputerlab wrote:
The FreeDOS installation CD should get you up and running fast for some initial testing. […]
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The FreeDOS installation CD should get you up and running fast for some initial testing.

The LCD display doesn't measure anything. It just displays whatever you configure through the jumpers 😀

I remember on my 386 changing it to HI and LO for that very reason 😀

Also made it easier when I switched hardware.

I'm aware it doesn't measure anything. As I wrote I have to manually configure the jumpers.

As for FreeDOS I'm sure I can get something to boot, I can also boot old Windows 98 install CDs, however I would then also need a program which can measure the actual frequency of the CPU. As I mentioned I've already tried one way to do this which turned out to be unreliable (using Linux).

It would be very helpful if there is some simple way to know what the frequency should be on all 486 systems for a 66 MHz CPU when manipulating the turbo switch. If there is no standard for this, then I will keep trying to figure out what the real frequency is using software tools.

Reply 3 of 6, by PhilsComputerLab

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There is no standard every motherboard does its own thing. Wait states and cache are also manipulated so there is a lot more to it.

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Reply 4 of 6, by badmojo

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Just run speedsys with Turbo off and compare the CPU speed score to the endless scores you can find on this board. Not very scientific but then neither is the Turbo function - it's pretty useless in my experience, particularly with a CPU as quick as the dx2 66

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Reply 5 of 6, by j^aws

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Try these DOS programs: CHKCPU, PCDIAGS (95) and NSSI with Turbo On/Off. All three reported the CPU MHz speed with Turbo On/Off consistently compared to Speedsys.

They all reported a Pentium 200 MHz (non-MMX) downclocked to its slowest FSB and Multiplier with Turbo Off at around 15MHz, whilst Speedsys reported this around 38MHz. I never tried them on a 486 system though.

Reply 6 of 6, by computergeek92

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HOW ABOUT THE OVERDRIVE 486 66MHZ CHIP? MY UPGRADED PC IS THE GATEWAY 2000 4SX-33.

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