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First post, by VintageUniverse

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Hello Fellow Vogons Members,
I have a Packard Bell Legend 23CD which I am trying to convert to a CF Card hard drive. When I got this computer, it was stock and the QA Seal was ripped only once to get rid of the hard drive no upgrades at all fully stock which was told by the computer store owner. It looks like this one but newer and 2 Drive Bays:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lr9-Avr-SY. I currently use this adapter along with a 2GB Transcend 133x, but I also tried a 2GB Transcend 80x, which gave me "Operating System Not Found", the 80x one had a copy of a Packard Bell Windows 95. The original CD-ROM was removed by me due to no being functional due to internal hardware problems. I trashed the Packard Bell CR-563-B drive and put in a Packard Bell CR-581-B, which when I try to use my Master CD and Floppy, the CD-ROM is not detected saying it is not properly connected. Anyone, any thoughts? Thanks So Much!

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Reply 1 of 28, by swaaye

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Moved to Marvin.

Reply 2 of 28, by ReeseRiverson

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How do you currently have it hooked up? Cable wise?

Reply 3 of 28, by LunarG

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Have you done a fdisk /mbr on your 80x card?

WinXP : PIII 1.4GHz, 512MB RAM, 73GB SCSI HDD, Matrox Parhelia, SB Audigy 2.
Win98se : K6-3+ 500MHz, 256MB RAM, 80GB HDD, Matrox Millennium G400 MAX, Voodoo 2, SW1000XG.
DOS6.22 : Intel DX4, 64MB RAM, 1.6GB HDD, Diamond Stealth64 DRAM, GUS 1MB, SB16.

Reply 4 of 28, by devius

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Try swapping them: connect the CF to where the CD-ROM is now connected, and the CD-ROM to where the CF is now connected. Assuming they are both on their own IDE channel. If you are trying to use the same cable/channel for both the CF and the CD-ROM it could cause problems. Some CF cards don't work very well unless they're the only devices connected to the IDE channel.

Reply 5 of 28, by ReeseRiverson

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devius wrote:

Some CF cards don't work very well unless they're the only devices connected to the IDE channel.

The card he has is the same one I use in a couple of my machines, it should work fine sharing the same IDE cable as long as the Slave/Master configuration between the CF to IDE adapter and CD-ROM itself are correctly set. 😀

Reply 6 of 28, by tayyare

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CF adapters with two card slots like this will not work with another IDE device on the same cable, that's obvious.

Which is not very obvious, sometimes those same type of adapters are being sold as a single slot CF adapter, with the second slot just not soldered on the PCB. They are functionally same with the two slot adapters, and cannot be used with a second/other IDE device on the same cable, either.

I always use that type, and never have any issues with a second IDE device on the same cable (Zip drives, HDDs, CD/DVD drives...) in any of my machines (386 to PIII).

Last edited by tayyare on 2025-01-30, 18:23. Edited 1 time in total.

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Reply 7 of 28, by VintageUniverse

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Here's the Update, I tried what devius told me to do, still same issue. tayyare, I tried mine with another adapter like the one on eBay, same issue. Both my adapters are ONLY made for 1 slot, there is NO extra solder for a second connector. Pictures are below SELF-EXPLANATORY:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/bzs05lbkt02cfu6/AA … WJk-1uGFca?dl=0

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Reply 8 of 28, by ReeseRiverson

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It looks like you have the CF adapter hooked to the audio card. It should actually be hooked to the IDE header on the motherboard. Audio card headers are usually used for CD-ROM, though in the past, I had trouble finding the drivers for those darn things. Never have still yet.

Reply 9 of 28, by LunarG

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ReeseRiverson wrote:

It looks like you have the CF adapter hooked to the audio card. It should actually be hooked to the IDE header on the motherboard. Audio card headers are usually used for CD-ROM, though in the past, I had trouble finding the drivers for those darn things. Never have still yet.

Yeah, that's what occurred to me as well. ReeseRiverson is absolutely right, you won't be able to run a non-CD-Rom device off of your sound-card connector. Most of those aren't even IDE, but proprietary interfaces for specific brands of CD-Rom drives. Even the ones that are IDE won't be able to run anything other than optical drives.

WinXP : PIII 1.4GHz, 512MB RAM, 73GB SCSI HDD, Matrox Parhelia, SB Audigy 2.
Win98se : K6-3+ 500MHz, 256MB RAM, 80GB HDD, Matrox Millennium G400 MAX, Voodoo 2, SW1000XG.
DOS6.22 : Intel DX4, 64MB RAM, 1.6GB HDD, Diamond Stealth64 DRAM, GUS 1MB, SB16.

Reply 10 of 28, by VintageUniverse

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LunarG wrote:
ReeseRiverson wrote:

It looks like you have the CF adapter hooked to the audio card. It should actually be hooked to the IDE header on the motherboard. Audio card headers are usually used for CD-ROM, though in the past, I had trouble finding the drivers for those darn things. Never have still yet.

Yeah, that's what occurred to me as well. ReeseRiverson is absolutely right, you won't be able to run a non-CD-Rom device off of your sound-card connector. Most of those aren't even IDE, but proprietary interfaces for specific brands of CD-Rom drives. Even the ones that are IDE won't be able to run anything other than optical drives.

I switched it and I still get the error "Operating System Not Found" Shouldn't a 486 run Win95? Here is the motherboard diagram site:
http://www.uktsupport.co.uk/pb/mb/450.htm.

The CMOS Battery is Bad, Can someone guide me where to plug in the cables? Is it just me or am I incorrectly plugging in the cables. My cd-rom has modes of cable select master slave HELP!

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VintageUniverse

Reply 11 of 28, by smeezekitty

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Anuextreme117 wrote:
LunarG wrote:
ReeseRiverson wrote:

It looks like you have the CF adapter hooked to the audio card. It should actually be hooked to the IDE header on the motherboard. Audio card headers are usually used for CD-ROM, though in the past, I had trouble finding the drivers for those darn things. Never have still yet.

Yeah, that's what occurred to me as well. ReeseRiverson is absolutely right, you won't be able to run a non-CD-Rom device off of your sound-card connector. Most of those aren't even IDE, but proprietary interfaces for specific brands of CD-Rom drives. Even the ones that are IDE won't be able to run anything other than optical drives.

I switched it and I still get the error "Operating System Not Found" Shouldn't a 486 run Win95? Here is the motherboard diagram site:
http://www.uktsupport.co.uk/pb/mb/450.htm.

A 486 runs 95 very easily.

Your problem is elsewhere

Reply 12 of 28, by ReeseRiverson

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The problem may be in the BIOS settings/limitations as for not reading the drive. On my 486 Packard Bell, there was no auto detect for the harddrives. You would have to manually select a pre-configured drive, or manually key in the entries for the harddrive. Have you told the BIOS any specifics on the harddrive (CF Card)?

And it may not support a 2GB drive either. May have to get a 512MB or 1GB CF card, unless there is a around possible that I am not aware of.

Reply 13 of 28, by VintageUniverse

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Can you help me find in they keyings for the 2GB Transcend 80x? Cylinders, Tracks, Heads? Another person got his to work with a 2GB one?

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Reply 14 of 28, by ReeseRiverson

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Anuextreme117 wrote:

Can you help me find in they keyings for the 2GB Transcend 80x? Cylinders, Tracks, Heads? Another person got his to work with a 2GB one?

I certainly can once I get home from work. 😀

Unless you have another system that does auto detect... you technically can get the information you need of their BIOS. I've done that to get what I needed for my older Packard Bell once.

Though there's a good chance the 2GB CF card's not going to work due to BIOS limitations. You can always try still, but I believe the old Packard Bell I had was limited.

Reply 15 of 28, by VintageUniverse

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Thanks Reese, You really helped! I wish I could select you as a good helper 😀

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Reply 16 of 28, by VintageUniverse

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ReeseRiverson wrote:
I certainly can once I get home from work. :happy: […]
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Anuextreme117 wrote:

Can you help me find in they keyings for the 2GB Transcend 80x? Cylinders, Tracks, Heads? Another person got his to work with a 2GB one?

I certainly can once I get home from work. 😀

Unless you have another system that does auto detect... you technically can get the information you need of their BIOS. I've done that to get what I needed for my older Packard Bell once.

Though there's a good chance the 2GB CF card's not going to work due to BIOS limitations. You can always try still, but I believe the old Packard Bell I had was limited.

Do you mind if I take a video of mine, may I see a picture of yours?

Kind Regards,
VintageUniverse

Reply 17 of 28, by ReeseRiverson

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Anuextreme117 wrote:

Do you mind if I take a video of mine, may I see a picture of yours?

Well, my Packard Bell 486 has become a work in progress: Keyboard trouble with a 486 Packard Bell motherboard

Right now, Keyboard troubles with the only working board I have of it. 🤣

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Thanks Reese, You really helped! I wish I could select you as a good helper 😀

You're welcome. Sometimes these old machines can really be tricky.

Reply 18 of 28, by VintageUniverse

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ReeseRiverson wrote:
Well, my Packard Bell 486 has become a work in progress: Keyboard trouble with a 486 Packard Bell motherboard […]
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Do you mind if I take a video of mine, may I see a picture of yours?

Well, my Packard Bell 486 has become a work in progress: Keyboard trouble with a 486 Packard Bell motherboard

Right now, Keyboard troubles with the only working board I have of it. 🤣

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Thanks Reese, You really helped! I wish I could select you as a good helper 😀

You're welcome. Sometimes these old machines can really be tricky.

Reese, My 486 is newer than yours in the long run it looks like these,
http://vintagecomputer.net/packardbell/Force- … ce-53CD_486.jpg

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VintageUniverse

Reply 19 of 28, by ReeseRiverson

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I do have that same case, but it is the Intel Pentium version. I'd love to fix it up, but I have yet to find the bracket that holds the FDD, single CD-ROM, and HDD. 😢