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First post, by junk_box

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My version of the ultimate win98 retro rig. This is my first post on vogons. Have read a bunch on this forum through the years though. About time my rig is seen.

Bought this case in the spring of 98 and preceded to create a blowhole through the side cover as my lil p2 233 on a bx6 1.0 needed much ventilation for the overclock to 350 MHZ. Upgraded to a celeron 300a overclocked to 450 before the end of summer that year. From there up to a p3 1000 on a cusl2 and geforce3 in 01. Ended up with a p4 2.53 and some Pc1066 rdram and a ti4600 by the end of 02. Paid big bucks for the samsung rimms and still have them, but the asus motherboard died when my mom was doing her taxes...go figure. Oh and i had painted the case black at that point...looked worse then 🤣. Finally a athlonxp 2500+ overclocked to a 3200+ on a abit nforce2 motherboard. Ended up giving that motherboard and cpu to a friend who wanted to play Far Cry. Case then went into closet storage for long time, just couldn't toss it out like i have many others.

But now its back! I painted it beige again (i know it needs another coat and a bunch of detail work) and it sports a Abit Bh6 1.2 with a slot_t adapter. Have a cherry picked P3s 1.4 that overclocks to 155fsb @ 1627mhz easily at 1.4 vcore. Went through a couple and also an unlocked engineering sample before i found this one. Unfortunately the es needed 1.55v for 150fsb at 1575mhz not bad though. Was cool to be able to clock down to 266mhz at 4x66 for sure. Might end up putting that chip back in as it was able to hit 143fsb at 1516mhz with 1.4v. Talk about flexibility. Current chip is a TB1 stepping and runs at 1.35 up to 1575mhz as i dont wanna blow my mofsets. 🤣 A msi geforce ti4600 @ 300core and 700 mem. 512mb of cas 2 pc133 helps this rig put up a good fight against those athlon xp's. Also Two 12 meg voodoo2's and a voodoo1 at 65mhz with a 3dfx cool card and heasinks applied. Kinda crazy with all the pass through cables, but signal quality is decent surprisingly. Need at least a rev E Diamond monster3d, as earlier revs had major signal probs with my lcd. I boot this beast at 700mhz and use soft_fsb to kick it up as needed. Best 3dmark 2001se about 10,670 so far. Can't run cas 2 at 155fsb.. too bad. Have had a celeron 1000a at 150 fsb in this rig scores 9560. Also tried a celeron 1.3 at 1733 using1.65 vcore and this also scored a very similar 9540. Very close to a p3s @ 1.4. Also the voodoo1 doesn't work unless im at 100fsb or less. A big plus of using the bx chipset with voodoo1 is that static link glide games work no prob. Can't do that with an 815 chipset or later. I've enjoyed hot rodding this old case through the years. Gonna play some UT at 1920X1200 tonight, or maybe some screamer2 with the original 3dfx patch. The heavy filtering of the voodoo helps a bunch on my large lcd..but old games still look better on a smaller crt. This rig even plays bf1942 half decent on medium settings 1920x1200 if set at 150 fsb or higher. I enjoy playing old games much more on this old machine running win98 then my newer systems. My kids smile at me when they hear win98 boot up 🤣. Oh btw ive never seen anyone else with this case. I ordered it from Bunta tech in 98 as a mid-tower atx case site unseen. I liked it as soon as i unpackaged it though. Id be curious to know if anyone out there has seen it before?

Last edited by junk_box on 2015-04-05, 04:09. Edited 2 times in total.

Reply 1 of 12, by j^aws

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Very nice - I like it a lot.

Why aren't you using your unlocked engineering sample? Is it a Tualatin? If so, can it be downclocked to around 200MHz (66x3)? That would be useful for certain DOS games that don't work around that speed without patching.

Reply 2 of 12, by junk_box

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Thanks. Putting it together recently brings back good memories from the late 90's as i was just learning about computers then. This was only my second computer at that point the first being based on a cyrix 586 120 or p90 equivalent. I bought that system from a local computer shop and saved a few bucks not going with a real pentium chip.The seller from "Amazing computers" Assured me i wouldn't notice a difference...🤣 Worked ok but games like quake and monster truck madness chugged along slowly. Yes I've thought about changing back to that cpu and it is a tualatin. Also QGK5QS is the sSpec. Ended up with it by chance. The ebay seller advertised it as a sl5xl. I'm not sure how rare they are. Using the bh6 softmenu i'm able to access many multipliers from 4 up to 10.5, although to get multiplier of 4 i actually need to choose 2. And to get a 10.5 working, i need to choose 4 and that is the lowest multiplier setting i can find so far. Almost gave up using this cpu until by chance i got the 10.5 multi working. All other multipliers seem to correspond properly. I'm thinking of finding a p3b-f to try it out in. I think the asus board has the option to choose multipliers manually.

Reply 3 of 12, by ODwilly

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That is a cool system! Make sure to keep an eye out on the caps of that Abit board if you have not replaced them yet. I have a NIB Abit kx-333 Athlon xp board that has 3 bulged out caps 😒 they did not use good caps unfortunately. Because I really like their boards!

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Reply 4 of 12, by PcBytes

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ODwilly wrote:

That is a cool system! Make sure to keep an eye out on the caps of that Abit board if you have not replaced them yet. I have a NIB Abit kx-333 Athlon xp board that has 3 bulged out caps 😒 they did not use good caps unfortunately. Because I really like their boards!

You could replace the bad caps. My P4VM800 had dead caps near CPU (failed without any bloat/bulge) so I replaced them with good Sanyo WG caps and it came back to life.

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Reply 5 of 12, by ODwilly

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To many machines and it does not get used enough right now. Future rainy day project 😀

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Reply 6 of 12, by mr_bigmouth_502

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That's a sweet rig you've got! 😁 How well does it do DOS games?

Also, how did you get your hands on an engineering sample P3?

Reply 7 of 12, by PcBytes

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ODwilly wrote:

To many machines and it does not get used enough right now. Future rainy day project 😀

At least it's not getting thrown away 😀
Need to recap my A7N8X-E Deluxe as I sense CPU caps failing in a far future. Haven't got any flux,and I've got to replace 8 caps.

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Reply 8 of 12, by j^aws

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junk_box wrote:

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Ended up with it by chance. The ebay seller advertised it as a sl5xl.
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Very fortunate! I had something similar, but it was an unlocked P3 Coppermine. Its lowest multi is 3x. However, 2x also boots, but makes the FSB appear as 200MHz! Bizzare...

Maybe the Tualatin doesn't have a 3x multi?

junk_box wrote:

I'm thinking of finding a p3b-f to try it out in. I think the asus board has the option to choose multipliers manually.

Or a Socket 370 Asus Cubx - you can use better coolers with those.

EDIT: BTW, you'd need an adapter or mod the CPU for the Socket 370 option.

Reply 9 of 12, by gerwin

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If you really want to explore the multipliers you'd better go for a jumpered board. The BIOS settings are a limited abstraction of the actual jumper signals. Edit: I think these ASUS BX boards also have a jumper block for optional use.

From my memory:
Generally Coppermine ES/QS below 1 GHz seem to do 3.0x and up.
Generally Coppermine 1GHz+ and Tualatin ES/QS seem to do 4.0x and up.
Early Mendocino Celeron ES/QS seem to do 2.0x and up.
Deschutes Pentium II (retail before august 1998 locking date) also 2.0x, but without functional L2 cache.
Klamath Pentium II (retail before august 1998 locking date) also 2.0x, with or without L2 depending on jumper settings.
VIA C3 retail: multiplier unlocked, settings depending on the specific core.
Intel ES/QS can also be locked, no guarantee of them being unlocked.

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Reply 10 of 12, by Stermy57

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ES are very hard to find!
I have over 100 370's CPU but all standard CPU
A friend of mine has found 2 Tualatin ES on old notebooks

Reply 11 of 12, by chinny22

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Welcome, looks like you have caught the retro bug in a big way and already come out with a decent system. Bit of personal history like a case that's followed you though the years makes the system all the more sweet to use as a bonus as well. (no matter what those damn kids say)

Reply 12 of 12, by junk_box

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Yes I got lucky. Getting the ultimate p3 with a unlocked multiplier was totally unexpected and sweet! So i've tried this cpu in a couple more motherboards...a Asus p3b-f and a Abit bf6. Tried using jumper mode even. I'm not getting anything lower than 4X. Darn worth a try. I have more bx motherboards now then ever! At least i got'em cheap on ebay. Btw the p3b-f is rock stable at 150fsb with my ram at 222. Two 256 meg dimms btw. The bf6 gets way flakey and needs the timing cut back to 322 or even 333. Will goo 222 with a single stick though. Tried all possible dimm slots also. I really like the flexibility of the bf6.. too bad it's not rock stable like the Asus. All the caps look decent, but im sure they could use replacements. Guess i'll stick with the current bh6 1.2 as it runs up to 155fsb at 322. Wish the p3b-f allowed using soft_fsb or set_fsb as it's nice to be able to change the fsb on the fly in windows. I really like this combo as it has enough power to make most 2002 and earlier games play smoothly. Kinda funny to think if i woulda had this setup through 2002, i woulda never spent so much cash on pc1066 rambus trying to get a decent p4 system put together! Guess Intel knew their marketing strategy well huh?