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VT7 is a nice motherboard, but from what I recall the overclocking options are relatively limited compared to more high-end boards from the era, like IC7 or P4P800. Still, nice system overall, and I'm sure even at stock it's more than capable of handling a broad variety of games.
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^ Added copper heatsinks on both the mosfets AND mosfet drivers, cool! 
Let the air flow!
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None of those temperatures are bad/high for a Pentium 4 or X800, if my various P4s and X850s are any indication.
Pentium 4 CPUs of all sorts can not be killed with temperature alone what ever you do. Some Northwoods could be killed with 1.75+V and heat (over a long period of time) others handled 2V just fine. I never heard of anyone who managed to kill a Prescott even when trying.
The GPUs of the time handles up to 100C without issues but much warmer than that and there is a chance of solder joints under the GPU cracking, the GPU it self pretty much survives any temperature up to at least 150C.
Its not nice to the motherboard though to run the CPU at 90C all day long. The heat close to the socket kills caps and and makes VRMs perform worse. Likewise a GPU at 90C will spew hot air on its caps and that way the heat will shorten the cards lifetime considerably.
40C CPU and 63C GPU temp would make me sleep sound at night in any case.
When I pushed a socket 478 P4 EE Gallatin 3.4 to 4 GHz I used as much voltage as the board could provide. The benching went well until after a reboot the system would crash as soon as I put any load on the CPU. As the CPU was watercooled and I knew the temps were good I did not check that but I tested just about everyting else. After half an hour of changing settings and crashing I found out that the pump diddnt run... the pumps power cable had somehow gotten disconnected...
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wrote:Pentium 4 CPUs of all sorts can not be killed with temperature alone what ever you do. Some Northwoods could be killed with 1.75 […]
Pentium 4 CPUs of all sorts can not be killed with temperature alone what ever you do. Some Northwoods could be killed with 1.75+V and heat (over a long period of time) others handled 2V just fine. I never heard of anyone who managed to kill a Prescott even when trying.
The GPUs of the time handles up to 100C without issues but much warmer than that and there is a chance of solder joints under the GPU cracking, the GPU it self pretty much survives any temperature up to at least 150C.
Its not nice to the motherboard though to run the CPU at 90C all day long. The heat close to the socket kills caps and and makes VRMs perform worse. Likewise a GPU at 90C will spew hot air on its caps and that way the heat will shorten the cards lifetime considerably.
40C CPU and 63C GPU temp would make me sleep sound at night in any case..
Speaking of trying to kill P4s...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxNUK3U73SI
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wrote:Heat alone can kill a p4, try running it without a heatsink 🤣
See the video. They have thermal protection built-in; they're designed to throttle and shut down if they overheat. Many P4 boards that I've owned will also shut the machine down if they don't detect CPU_FAN over a certain RPM (its usually fairly high too, like 2000, which can cause problems with slower 120mm fans).
I've personally never tried to replicate Tom's test by removing the sink, but I've had P4 systems survive fan failures and such with no problem.
Any way the x800 is very hot for being water cooled. Unfortunately the die shattered when I took the spacer off, so I nabbed a fx5900xt off ebay. I have a x5600 I can use for now. 😠
Shame about the X800, but yeah they ran fairly warm (at least, my X850s do). 😊
5900XT is an awesome card, and paired with the VT7 brings back a lot of memories (I had both "back in the day"). It should do very well with earlier-2000s games, but if you want a lot of SM2.0+ stuff, a GeForce 6800 or another X800 would be better suited. 😊
wrote:Heat alone can kill a p4, try running it without a heatsink 🤣
Any way the x800 is very hot for being water cooled. Unfortunately the die shattered when I took the spacer off, so I nabbed a fx5900xt off ebay. I have a x5600 I can use for now. 😠
Yeah P4s are actually some of the few CPUs that can take a *real* beating when it comes to heat tolerance. I had one of my P4s hit 120 C under load and the heatsink burned the floppy drive which was above it. And it was being severely underclocked at the time! The heatsink was pure aluminium so it wasn't exactly optimal-- long since fixed but kind of wish I kept the low-end heatsink so I could really abuse the temperatures.
A note about the 'yate loon' fans, I would definitely replace those with some nice noctuas or nidec ball-bearing based fans.
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wrote:I've personally never tried to replicate Tom's test by removing the sink,
I've had. On a Celeron 1.7GHz (Williamette P4 core with half L2 cache).
It did shut down and the CPU survived.
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wrote:wrote:I've personally never tried to replicate Tom's test by removing the sink,
I've had. On a Celeron 1.7GHz (Williamette P4 core with half L2 cache).
It did shut down and the CPU survived.
That is the nice thing about thermal protection.
wrote:I had a fx5900 ultra back in the day with some aopen broad, SM2 on the card sucked from what I recall.
Yep - that'd be GeForce FX. It'll run Halo and Tomb Raider:AoD alright from memory, and DX8.x games will generally run well, but DX9 games like Half-Life 2, FEAR, Oblivion, etc are generally out of the question unless you don't mind fairly low settings (usually 800x600 and lower-ish in-game settings). Radeon 9/X and GeForce 6 will generally do a better job of those titles as they all handle SM2 much better. If you're not after DX9 though, the FX series are not bad at all. 😊
Speaking of thermal protection, behold this intrepid fella sailing his AM1 Athlon 5350 CPU under bare poles: Look ma! No heatsink!.
"... Basically, don't run Prime95 or compile the Linux kernel and the thing works just fine ..." 🤣 🤣 🤣
Let the air flow!
wrote:wrote:I had a fx5900 ultra back in the day with some aopen broad, SM2 on the card sucked from what I recall.
Yep - that'd be GeForce FX. It'll run Halo and Tomb Raider:AoD alright from memory, and DX8.x games will generally run well, but DX9 games like Half-Life 2, FEAR, Oblivion, etc are generally out of the question unless you don't mind fairly low settings (usually 800x600 and lower-ish in-game settings). Radeon 9/X and GeForce 6 will generally do a better job of those titles as they all handle SM2 much better. If you're not after DX9 though, the FX series are not bad at all. 😊
It's not so much DX9 that the fx5900's are bad at, but rather SM2. I had a fx5900 ultra about a year ago (died) and it was fin with DX9 games so long as they did not use SM2. Take Penumbra, the game played fine on the card maxed out @ 1280x1024 untill you use that flash light that is. Then the frame rate fell through the roof.
DX9 basically equals SM2. Any SM1.x is DX8. The FX series are competent DX7/8 performers, but really choke on all but the earliest DX9 titles, generally speaking.
my 5900XT ran Farcry at medium just fine, Half Life 2 when running on GeforceFX automaticlly renders in DX8_0 mode though you can force DX9, i forget the command, fear however yea that one is bad as well as obvlivion.
My most fascinating experince though was when COD 2 came out, a buddy was running a 6200 AGP and actually got better FPS than my FX5900XT that was using DX9, when we both switched to DX7 i won 🤣.
