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First post, by Rodoko

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Well this is my first post on Vogons and I'm glad to know about vintage computers thanks to this subforum and vintage computer related YT videos that inspired me to take them to my home and fix to get them working as intended, and some computers are from the mid to late 90's others from 2001 to 2008 but well, lets start with the collection

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Reply 1 of 27, by Rodoko

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(This is a continuation of the first post)

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One quirk on the P200 and PII systems is that they use a BIOS that was programmed on 15/7/1995, 11 days before I was born!!

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Reply 2 of 27, by alexanrs

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I like that case your MMX is in. I'd probably match it with something older, though. I don't think desktop 266 MMX were ever released, is it a Tilamook or an OCed MMX?
Shame about the LGA775 system, that could be a nice XP system if fixed.

Btw, your birth date makes me feel old xD

Reply 3 of 27, by Stojke

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I like the Pentium 3 wallpaper.

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Reply 4 of 27, by SquallStrife

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You need to clean those cases bro. Eucalyptus oil will get those "sticker gunk" stains out quick-smart.

That said, I am a big fan of your MMX mini-tower case. Very 90s. I love it. 😀

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Reply 5 of 27, by Rodoko

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alexanrs wrote:

I like that case your MMX is in. I'd probably match it with something older, though. I don't think desktop 266 MMX were ever released, is it a Tilamook or an OCed MMX?

Is basically a standard Pentium MMX, not overclocked or anything like that, all I can say is that both Pentium MMX computers were originally a 120 MHz Pentium processor and later they were upgraded with faster ones :3

I leave an attachment of the specs via Speedsys from both the 200 and 266 computers

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Reply 6 of 27, by alexanrs

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Why is that MMX266 getting such a low score? Is it a Tilamook (x4 multi + L2 cache disabled)? Or is it just a misdetection? Is it actually slower than the MMX 200 in games? I'm intrigued.

Reply 7 of 27, by Rodoko

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The low score is because I have both caches turned off to run it in 286 mode, as Phil says, with MB cache is 386 and with the processor one is a 486 and both turned on is 266 MHz full speed (Maybe on the cache stuff I'm inverted on the options and processors)

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Reply 8 of 27, by brostenen

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The P266 has a nice case. I like it. 😀
Just clean some of those cases. You will like it when they are better looking. 😉

Don't eat stuff off a 15 year old never cleaned cpu cooler.
Those cakes make you sick....

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Reply 9 of 27, by brostenen

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alexanrs wrote:

Btw, your birth date makes me feel old xD

Same here... 😁

Don't eat stuff off a 15 year old never cleaned cpu cooler.
Those cakes make you sick....

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Reply 10 of 27, by Rodoko

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alexanrs wrote:

Shame about the LGA775 system, that could be a nice XP system if fixed.

Got it working, the HDD just "died" on me, I changed for the Samsung one that was on the Athlon and now works great :3

brostenen wrote:

The P266 has a nice case. I like it. 😀
Just clean some of those cases. You will like it when they are better looking. 😉

I will be doing that when I can, not now because I need to organize my man's cave, most of it it will be moved to a farmhouse maybe this year or on 2016 (Except the machines that do work) :3

Reply 11 of 27, by Tertz

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Rodoko wrote:

The low score is because I have both caches turned off to run it in 286 mode, as Phil says, with MB cache is 386 and with the processor one is a 486 and both turned on is 266 MHz full speed (Maybe on the cache stuff I'm inverted on the options and processors)

There is another option to test your P266 MMX device for slow specs support: DOSBox. Would be interesting how it holds it. We still have no results for Pentium 1 machines.

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Reply 12 of 27, by Rodoko

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I actually have DOSBox on my main PC and is the program that I use for testing if the games would work on the machine

One difference is that on DOSBox every driver is loaded with lots of free conventional and extended memory meanwhile on the P266 you need to fight with drivers and Memmaker and TSRs and things :3

2morrow I will be posting the original Speedsys result of the P266 coz since on the last test as I said, it was with both caches turned off, so it worked like a 286

Reply 13 of 27, by alexanrs

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Honestly, I have never used MEMMAKER. I can easily get over 600KB of conventional memory as long as I load EMM386 and set it to provide UMBs (and INCLUDE address ranges manually in some machines), even with SmartDrive+MSCDEX+packet driver loaded without sacrificing the EMS page frame. It is one of those things that once you learn to do manually you'll never need something like MEMMAKER again.

Reply 14 of 27, by Tertz

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Rodoko wrote:

2morrow I will be posting the original Speedsys result of the P266 coz since on the last test as I said, it was with both caches turned off, so it worked like a 286

The most comparative chart is there. If you'll want to see how your systems are close to others. Unfortunally it has no DOSBox benchmark as obligate part.

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Reply 15 of 27, by Rodoko

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I will do a full benchmark maybe this weekend or the Tuesday and upload to here but for now, I do have the original Speedtest result of the P266

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Reply 16 of 27, by shamino

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I don't remember the name, but there's some Intel utility that is supposed to identify exactly what CPU is installed. If I remember correctly it was designed to identify the intended speed of the CPU, regardless of how it is clocked, so as to identify CPUs that had been overclocked. I think it was intended to expose retail shops that sold overclocked systems (something Intel obviously wanted to stop). I don't know if it's able to detect this info on Pentium MMX chips though, or if it only works on later chips.
Have you ever run that utility with the P266 MMX? I think it's included on the "Ultimate Boot CD", if you have that. My memory of the utility is vague, I haven't used it in a long time.

I like how the case for your P200MMX has a 3 digit speed LED. I assume the leading digit doesn't go above "1", but still, it's twice the range of other displays.
I think it would be really cool to have those speed readouts back on modern cases, and be able to signal them from the motherboard to match all the switching P-states on modern CPUs.

Reply 17 of 27, by Rodoko

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Later I will find it, anyways, the display on the P200 goes to 120 and when I press the turbo buttom goes up to 999, I guess that the one on the P266 does the same, but it shows 16 w/o the turbo button pressed and if I press it, shows 120 which means that those two machines were originally Pentium 120 and then they upgraded to a 200 and 266 MHz Pentiums respectively, so there's no source of overclocking on those two computers :3

BTW, the P200 has the Turbo switch pinout but the 266 does not owo

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Reply 18 of 27, by alexanrs

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It does get a higher score than a Pentium MMX 233, so I guess it is being identified correctly. And the L2 cache is probabably working fine.
Btw my old P3 had an ATX case with a three digit LED display configured to show "700" (as it came with a 700MHz P3). Can't find that case for sale anywhere, though =/

Reply 19 of 27, by Rodoko

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I did remember a post here in Vogons that someone worked a AT case LED display to show 700 instead of 199 and that case was used on many of the computers on my primary school when I was a kid (Every machine had Pentium 266 at least with 64 or 128 MB RAM, and later, they upgraded to IBM PC 300 GLs and later to AMD based ones)
And your case was like this one?? owo

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