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First post, by Maraakate

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I don't own any PCI 3DFX hardware except a Voodoo 2. Now, I remember reading years ago that putting them in faster computers (i.e. like P4's and higher) can be bad since the card is tied to the CPU in some ways (which has been proven with some benchmarks I've seen in the past) and the card will run hot.

I am wondering if this is even true? I have some Athlon 64 3200+, I might have an early P4 RAMBUS PC around here (not sure if it's a P4 or P3 been a while since I've looked at it) that I could try it in too perhaps.

Just wanted to see how fast Q2DOS can get on some faster computers without having to spend a fortune on a V5 5500 PCI.

If Voodoo 2 is no good, is Voodoo 3 PCI OK on newer stuff?

Reply 1 of 17, by PhilsComputerLab

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I can tell you that a V2 works fine in a Pentium 4. So I would assume it would fine on an Athlon XP / 64 machine as well.

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Reply 2 of 17, by Arctic

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I used a voodoo 2 in an Athlon 64 3200+ back in 2003!
No problems! I would use community drivers though!
You could even play Doom 3 with a special patch and a powerful cpu!

Reply 3 of 17, by Maraakate

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Then I guess the voodoo 2 cards in fast computers running hot was a myth? Who knows for sure.

Reply 4 of 17, by leileilol

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Well when I V2'd my P4 I had huge concerns about frying it. I didn't give it any additional cooling beyond nothing. Also I clocked it at 90mhz just to be safe.

Then in the next year, it died. 🙁

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Reply 5 of 17, by PhilsComputerLab

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Maraakate wrote:

Then I guess the voodoo 2 cards in fast computers running hot was a myth? Who knows for sure.

No it's not a myth. The more frames a V2 pumps out, the hotter it gets. I actually measured this with a temp probe 😀

Enabling v-sync can keep the temps in check, but having some airflow is really what I would recommend.

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Reply 6 of 17, by Maraakate

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That's what the kind of stories I've heard before. Did you check on the card to see how hot it was to the touch? What happened when it died? DId it just refuse to switch over to 3d mode? Lock the PC? Nothing from the screen, etc.

Arctic: Did your card have any additional cooling?

Reply 7 of 17, by Maraakate

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philscomputerlab wrote:
Maraakate wrote:

Then I guess the voodoo 2 cards in fast computers running hot was a myth? Who knows for sure.

No it's not a myth. The more frames a V2 pumps out, the hotter it gets. I actually measured this with a temp probe 😀

Enabling v-sync can keep the temps in check, but having some airflow is really what I would recommend.

Is there a specific IC on the board that really generates the heat? I wouldn't mind "ruining" the value of the card by using some of that arctic silver epoxy stuff to put a smaller heatsink/fan combo (like a slim socket 7 heatsink or something) if it's just one IC to be concerned with.

Reply 9 of 17, by PhilsComputerLab

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Maraakate wrote:
philscomputerlab wrote:
Maraakate wrote:

Then I guess the voodoo 2 cards in fast computers running hot was a myth? Who knows for sure.

No it's not a myth. The more frames a V2 pumps out, the hotter it gets. I actually measured this with a temp probe 😀

Enabling v-sync can keep the temps in check, but having some airflow is really what I would recommend.

Is there a specific IC on the board that really generates the heat? I wouldn't mind "ruining" the value of the card by using some of that arctic silver epoxy stuff to put a smaller heatsink/fan combo (like a slim socket 7 heatsink or something) if it's just one IC to be concerned with.

I can't remember, but I believe the large chip in the center. You can purchase passive coolers on eBay that fit nicely, but I just had a fan blowing over the cards. This was on an open test bench, so in a case the issue is likely more severe.

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Reply 10 of 17, by Maraakate

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Actually, most of my cases are admittedly ones I find junked out on the street and usually the side covers are missing from someone who wanted to see if there was anything else of value. So most of them are open cases, or to keep the cats out I use an old LP cover they usually fit in there quite nicely.

Reply 11 of 17, by Gamecollector

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Have tested my Voodoo2 with the C2D PC. Asus P5Q-VM DO (Q45 Express), C2D E8400, 2 GB DDR2-667, Intel GMA X4500, WinXpSp3, W2k 1.02.00 Voodoo2 drivers.
Works perfectly (after the fxgpio/fxcpl fix).

So we need someone with the Q77/Core i7 3770 and a Voodoo2...

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Radeon HD3850 Agp (Sapphire), Catalyst 14.4 (XpProSp3).
Voodoo2 12 MB SLI, Win2k drivers 1.02.00 (XpProSp3).

Reply 12 of 17, by chinny22

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I ran this test a while back should give you an idea of temperatures the cards normally run at on a fast pre P4 machine (at which point bad things are supposed to happen)
Voodoo 2 Temperatures

I'd say if it runs significantly hotter see if you can cool it down to similar temps and you should be ok.

Reply 13 of 17, by Maraakate

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Now, a long time ago (10 years or so) I had two matched voodoo 2 cards that had the "triangle shaped" heatsink and fan combo on both cards. I don't recall where I got them, probably on ebay when they were worth nothing at the time and I went up to my storage unit today to look for them and opened up every box. Found a lot of Voodoo 3 AGP cards 😉 but no Voodoo 2 cards which is a shame because they probably would have been the right thing to use for this particular situation.

I must have given them away or unfortunately pitched them.

Reply 14 of 17, by Arctic

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I could perform a test with a i7 2600k if there were win7 64bit drivers .
I have already tried to install a voodoo 3 PCI, but I never got past some logo test 🤣

Reply 15 of 17, by Maraakate

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If you make a bootable USB with DOS on it you could try Q2DOS with it.

Reply 16 of 17, by Gamecollector

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Arctic wrote:

I could perform a test with a i7 2600k if there were win7 64bit drivers

The last officially supported OS is W2k. WinXp can use w2k Voodoo2 drivers if you use the .reg fix.
So - please trash some time and install WinXpSp3 32-bit on your i7 2600k. 😀

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Radeon HD3850 Agp (Sapphire), Catalyst 14.4 (XpProSp3).
Voodoo2 12 MB SLI, Win2k drivers 1.02.00 (XpProSp3).

Reply 17 of 17, by Maraakate

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I'm more interested in this whole idea for playing Q2DOS with it. It should be relatively trivial to get a 4GB pen drive from just about anywhere and setting it up with Rufus. Q2DOS supports some newer integrated audio from MPXPLAY code so you can try q2dos.exe -hda see if you get any sound.

If it works there on a modern computer with the voodoo 2's I'd like to hear your results of a running a timedemo 1; demomap demo1.dm2 at 640x480 in 3dfx opengl mode