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First post, by jheronimus

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Hi, all

As some of you may know, I recently got an all-in-one 486dx2 Compaq Presario 433. The system came with a WD Caviar 2420 disk with 423,5 MB. I tried replacing it with a Quantum Fireball 2.5a IDE disk (2,5 GB), but it doesn't really work. Here are my steps:

1) First the machine gave me a "disk controller error". I thought it was some sort of vendor lock-in.
2) Then I read about DOS having a 2 GB partition limit and figured that maybe the problem was that 2.5a was used for a Windows 98SE and as such, it was formatted as FAT32 single partition. Used my Socket 7 machine to reformat it as a single FAT partition within the 2GB limit. Still nothing.
3) Then I've read this guide to picking a disk for a DOS system. It says that some old BIOS-es don't recognise partitions larger than 500MB. Tried removing all partitions from the disk. The MS-DOS installation floppy worked, but the system took all the disk space to create a single 405 MB partition (just like it did on a WD 2420). No additional partitions could be added without removing the DOS-created one.
4) Then I've tried to use Partition Magic 4 on my Windows 98SE to create a 405 MB primary and 2 GB extended partition. MS-DOS did boot and actually installed to the primary partition, but the system couldn't boot off it. No "replace system disk" messages, no errors, just a blank screen.
5) Then I've tried the same thing, but I used the fdisk from MS-DOS 6.22 to reformat the primary partition. Still, the system installs, but I still get a black screen.

What do I do? I want to use as much of 2,5 GB as possible.

Thanks!

Last edited by jheronimus on 2016-02-20, 14:18. Edited 1 time in total.

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Reply 1 of 13, by konc

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Start from the beginning 😀
Does the BIOS have auto detect? If so, do you see the disk in its full capacity there? If not, it doesn't support disks larger than 512MB and you need some DDO software.
If it doesn't have auto detect, have you set the new drive's parameters? Values accepted, correct capacity shown?
No need to go any further until we figure out this. Eventually you will be of course able to use the full disk.

Reply 2 of 13, by jheronimus

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konc wrote:
Start from the beginning :) Does the BIOS have auto detect? If so, do you see the disk in its full capacity there? If not, it do […]
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Start from the beginning 😀
Does the BIOS have auto detect? If so, do you see the disk in its full capacity there? If not, it doesn't support disks larger than 512MB and you need some DDO software.
If it doesn't have auto detect, have you set the new drive's parameters? Values accepted, correct capacity shown?
No need to go any further until we figure out this. Eventually you will be of course able to use the full disk.

It does have autodetect. You can't manually put in the parameters, but you can pick one of 30+ options. The largest is 615MB.

So, I guess, a DDO is the best option, then? What would you suggest? Do I have to use OnTrack or is there a better option?

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Reply 5 of 13, by gdjacobs

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Okay, is 1023/16/63 one of the options?

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Reply 6 of 13, by konc

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jheronimus wrote:

It does have autodetect. You can't manually put in the parameters, but you can pick one of 30+ options. The largest is 615MB.

This is not auto-detect 🤣 If so, what does it recognize?

jheronimus wrote:

Like I said, the BIOS does not allow me to set the parameters manually — only choose one of the options.

Go to the last 2 options (47? 48?), are you able to set your HDD parameters and get the values accepted? ?

Reply 7 of 13, by jheronimus

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Sorry for the delay.

So, the weirdest thing happened. I tried removing all partitions from the disk again. It is now detected in BIOS as option 65, which could not be selected previously.

Capacity: 2563.4
Heads: 15
Cylinders: 5298
Sectors: 63.

I'm writing DOS installation disks right now, I'll let you know what happens.

Thanks!

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Reply 8 of 13, by jheronimus

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So, MS-DOS installation allowed me to create two partitions this time: a 399 primary partition and a 2041 extended partition with a single logical drive inside of it.

I also successfully installed MS DOS to the primary partition. Double checked whether it's set as active in MS DOS.

But it still doesn't boot after installation. I don't get any errors, just a black screen and nothing happens.

BIOS still correctly shows the disk geometry as posted above. When I boot MS DOS from the disk again, it correctly shows me what's on the C (DOS files) and D (nothing). It just can't boot off it.

What else can I do?

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Reply 9 of 13, by PhilsComputerLab

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Try these steps:

Boot from a MS-DOS 6.22 boot floppy to command promt
Run FDISK and delete ALL partitions
Reboot again from the 6.22 floppy
Run FDISK and create a single DOS partition. Let FDISK choose all the numbers, don't enter them manually
Reboot again from the 6.22 floppy
Run FDISK and check the partition size (it should be either around 500 or around 2000)
Quit and format the drive with:

format c: /s

It should now boot from the HDD (remove the floppy)

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Reply 10 of 13, by jheronimus

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PhilsComputerLab wrote:
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Try these steps:

Boot from a MS-DOS 6.22 boot floppy to command promt
Run FDISK and delete ALL partitions
Reboot again from the 6.22 floppy
Run FDISK and create a single DOS partition. Let FDISK choose all the numbers, don't enter them manually
Reboot again from the 6.22 floppy
Run FDISK and check the partition size (it should be either around 500 or around 2000)
Quit and format the drive with:

format c: /s

It should now boot from the HDD (remove the floppy)

Tried that and installed MS-DOS on it. Still nothing, just a blank screen and a blinking cursor. It created a primary partition of 2045M

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Reply 11 of 13, by PhilsComputerLab

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Boot from the floppy again.

Then type

fdisk /mbr

See if it boots now?

Also check the boot order in the BIOS. See if you can make it boot only from C. Is there only a single hard drive in the machine, or other devices?

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Reply 12 of 13, by jheronimus

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Thank you a lot, /mbr worked! I'll repartition the disk now to use all the available space. I think it should be fine now.

Thanks again 😀

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Reply 13 of 13, by PhilsComputerLab

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jheronimus wrote:

Thank you a lot, /mbr worked! I'll repartition the disk now to use all the available space. I think it should be fine now.

Thanks again 😀

That's super 🤣

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