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First post, by Mistoffeles

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Every time I try to run Microprose's Master of Magic with VDM sound, it tells me that I don't have enough conventional/DOS memory. This program needs 584K of conventional memory, and no matter how many features of VDM I disable (I had it down to just basic SB emulation, from an original attempt to run it with VESA, General MIDI and SB Pro2 enabled), it still leaves me with too little conventional memory.

I miss the days when I could custom configure the placement of every single TSR and driver in my old DOS box ;p

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Reply 1 of 18, by Mistoffeles

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P.S.: MoM works fine without sound under XP Pro, at least on my machine, I only need to get the sound working.

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Reply 2 of 18, by Stiletto

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MoM also runs fine in DOSBox (http://dosbox.sf.net), although that's not what this forum is about.

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Reply 3 of 18, by Mistoffeles

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Why would I need to know that?

MoM runs fine (without sound) without DOSBox, under XP, so unless DOSBox can give me sound it is completely useless to me.

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Reply 4 of 18, by Mistoffeles

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Have given DOSBox a chance, and, well, disappointing is the only mthing I can say.

Not only does it not give me sound, which is the only thing I am missing in MoM when I play it under XP Pro alone, it changes the aspect ratio of my screen, and it runs slower than my old 486/33 used to run the game, with sound working.

I am sure DOSBox is a fine emulator, for when it is needed, but it does absolutely nothing useful in this particular instance, and is hampered by the liabilities of a full-blown emulator when one is not needed.

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Reply 5 of 18, by Guest

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master of magic runs fast if you use vdmsound and turn off the "Enable DPMI support (DOSX)" in the advanced section.

Right now I am trying to get the sounds to play faster in battle though.
At the moment they are cueing-up and slowing combat.

Reply 6 of 18, by D'Natagal

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I have followed all of the links/suggestions regarding getting MoM to work in XP, with VDMSound and even with DosBox. No matter which version I try, I either get the 2700k conventional memory message or an odd cd error. Any help would be GREATLY appreciated as I am completely bored with the current crop of games and would like a challenging game that I can save and come back to.

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AMD 2100+
1 GB DDR PC3200 memory

Reply 8 of 18, by Guest

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Go to Properties and turn all memory to auto. This will work for any memory issue you have for MOM..

Sorry for the late update.

Reply 9 of 18, by MiniMax

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Anonymous wrote:

You can't create EMS memory with a nforce motherboard.

CAN TOO!

You just have to disable some of the on-board devices in the BIOS. Disabling the on-board Ethernet did the trick for me.
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Reply 10 of 18, by ribbon13

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MoM runs just fine for me with Windows Server 2003 with sound. But I run it in dosbox (ran with 7-max) just for the advmame2x filter. 😁

Did you make sure to set the config to dynamic core?
Did you run it with 7-max? (http://www.7-max.com/)
Frameskip 1?
Cycles set to optimum range?
Disabled GUS?

Reply 11 of 18, by Guest

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Has anyone managed to get this to work?

I'm a sad nForce user who can't get EMS working with VDMsound, and when I try using dfend/dosbox I _do_ get sound, but there are all kinds of strange scratchy sounds and tones, it's unplayable.

I've tried changing various configuration options for the last hour but no change I've made has had any effect.

XP Pro SP1
A7N8X-E dlx w/ Soundstorm (latest drivers)

Reply 12 of 18, by MiniMax

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And neither of these helped?

Re: How to get EMS when using VDM
Re: "EMS not available" problem

DOSBox 60 seconds guide | How to ask questions
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Reply 13 of 18, by Guest

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And neither of these helped?

Nope. I disabled the on-board LAN, firewire, and USB keyboard and got the exact same behavior. 😢

I'll admit I know very little about emulators, but isn't the idea to create a virtual machine, and then let the program run on top of the virtual machine? If so, why doesn't the DOSBox VM have its own EMS?

Reply 14 of 18, by Qbix

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dosbox(from http://dosbox.sf.net) has it's own vm and master of magic runs there fine.

the dosbox in windows (cmd.exe) is not a vm.

you are using vdmsound which is not dosbox.

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Reply 15 of 18, by Guest

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dosbox(from http://dosbox.sf.net) has it's own vm and master of magic runs there fine.

That is the program I'm referring to.

the dosbox in windows (cmd.exe) is not a vm.

Nod.

you are using vdmsound which is not dosbox.

I'm testing on both VDMSound and DOSBox, and neither of them are working satisfactorily. These are the errors I'm getting:

VDMSound - 'game needs at least 2700 expanded memory' and won't start. No ammount of properties tweeking changes the error.
DOSBox - game starts fine, plays the music score, and everything is dandy. I start the game, select my character and start playing. Then whenever I used the 'click'box' GUI to check spells or save the game etc. there is a strange scratchy sound, or a pure tone lasting for about 1 second. This happens whenever I click 'next turn' or the upper bar interface options 'game' 'magic' etc.

I've downloaded the latest versions of DOSBox and D-Fend but get the exact same behavior. Based on everything I've read this is a problem specific to nForce motherboards, and unfortunately there's no general workaround. 😢

XP Pro SP1
A7N8X-E dlx w/ Soundstorm (latest drivers)

Reply 16 of 18, by Guest

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OK I fixed it.

The previous poster was correct, MoM works fine with DOSBox and nForce motherboards. The recommendation was to use 'sound blaster pro later' for both digitized music and sounds. The default configuration settings for DOSBox work fine, but you need to manually enter DOS via cmd and execute install.exe. Then select 'sound blaster pro later' for both sound and music. Make sure the IRQ information matches the 220 7 1 etc from DOSBox (D-Fend).

Reply 17 of 18, by eL_PuSHeR

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Reply 18 of 18, by Guest

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I recommend keeping the thread up, it's not intuitive that the only way the game will run is with that specific in-game setting....the more help online the better, get bigger harddrives if you have space issues