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Reply 20 of 41, by agent_x007

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candle_86 wrote:

quite interesting, so in theory you could pair a celeron 1.5 (slowerst cpu with PCIe access I'd imagine) with say a GTX 1080 Ti

This board doesn't support Willamette 🙁
Celeron 1,6GHz (Northwood) is the limit, however (in theory) - You are correct 😀
Assuming, Pascal isn't that different from Hawaii (R9 390X).

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Reply 21 of 41, by agent_x007

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candle_86 wrote:

quite interesting, so in theory you could pair a celeron 1.5 (slowerst cpu with PCIe access I'd imagine) with say a GTX 1080 Ti

Update : I did it with GTX 1080, and it works 😀

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Reply 22 of 41, by Carlos S. M.

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Updated list with more boards i found around Internet, mostly china made though and revamped the list

What is your biggest Pentium 4 Collection?
Socket 423/478 Motherboards with Universal AGP Slot
Socket 478 Motherboards with PCI-E Slots
LGA 775 Motherboards with AGP Slots
Experiences and thoughts with Socket 423 systems

Reply 23 of 41, by Carlos S. M.

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One of the boards from the list i have. The ASRock P4i945GC

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Specs:
CPU: Pentium 4 (even x64 models), Celeron and Celeron D (Northwood, Prescott)
FSB Speed: 400/533/800 MHz
Chipset: Intel 945GC + ICH7
RAM: 4 GB (Shurnk to 3.5 GB) RAM max, DDR2 400/533/667, Dual channel
LAN: Realtek RTL8111DL 10/100/1000 (wired to PCI-e)
Audio: Realtek ALC888 HDA
Video: Onboard Intel GMA 950 (Partial DirectX 7.0/8.0/9.0 support, no T&L, no HW Vertex Shaders)
Slots: PCI-e x16, PCI-e x1, 2x PCI
IDE ports: 1x ATA-100 (from ICH7) + 1x ATA-133 (from VIA VT6415)
SATA ports: 4x SATA II
OS Support: Windows 2000/XP/Vista/7

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Quite decent board and one of the best featured PCI-e DDR2 Socket 478 motherboards, supports the elusive 64 bit Socket 478 CPUs (Pentium 4 Prescott SL7Q8 and SL7QB) and one of the few post i915 478 boards to feature HDA and Gigabit, supports 4 GB RAM abeilt limited to only 3.5 GB usable RAM, works with all PCI-e cards including modern cards, also unlike most VIA chipset boards, supports dual channel RAM operation, doesn't support Willamette, Gallatin confirmed not working (at least without BIOS modding)

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What is your biggest Pentium 4 Collection?
Socket 423/478 Motherboards with Universal AGP Slot
Socket 478 Motherboards with PCI-E Slots
LGA 775 Motherboards with AGP Slots
Experiences and thoughts with Socket 423 systems

Reply 24 of 41, by Carlos S. M.

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The ASRock P4VM890 R2.0, VIA based PCI-e Socket 478 i also have in my collection

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Specs:
CPU: Pentium 4, Celeron and Celeron D (Willamette, Northwood, Prescott)
FSB Speed: 400/533/800 MHz
Chipset: VIA P4M890 + VT8237R+
RAM: 2 GB RAM max, DDR 266/333/400, Single channel
LAN: VIA Rhine VT6103 PHY 10/100
Audio: Realtek ALC653 AC97
Video: Onboard VIA UniChrome Pro (DirectX 7.0 support, no T&L)
Slots: PCI-e x16, 3x PCI
IDE ports: 2x ATA-133 (from VT8237R+)
SATA ports: 2x SATA 150
OS Support: Windows 98/ME/NT 4 (no IGP driver)/2000/XP/Vista (no IGP WDDM driver)/7 (no IGP WDDM driver)

Comments:
No as good as the P4i945GC, but still interesting at some point, board supports Windows 98/ME and maybe possible to run NT 4 at some point, no idea if the PCI-e port shares the same issues as the 775dual-vsta and the 4coredual series (can't run GPUs past Fermi/pre GCN)

What is your biggest Pentium 4 Collection?
Socket 423/478 Motherboards with Universal AGP Slot
Socket 478 Motherboards with PCI-E Slots
LGA 775 Motherboards with AGP Slots
Experiences and thoughts with Socket 423 systems

Reply 25 of 41, by Carlos S. M.

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The ASRock P4VM900-SATA2, VIA based PCI-e Socket 478, also own this one and is an updated version of the P4VM890 R2.0 with newer chipset

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Specs:
CPU: Pentium 4, Celeron and Celeron D (Willamette, Northwood, Prescott)
FSB Speed: 400/533/800 MHz
Chipset: VIA P4M900 + VT8237S
RAM: 2 GB RAM max, DDR 266/333/400, Single channel
LAN: VIA Rhine VT6103 PHY 10/100
Audio: Realtek ALC660VD HDA
Video: Onboard VIA Chrome 9 HC (DirectX 9.0 support, SM2.0 unknown status about T&L and HW Vertex Shader, need to verify)
Slots: PCI-e x16, 3x PCI
IDE ports: 2x ATA-133 (from VT8237S)
SATA ports: 2x SATA II
OS Support: Windows 2000/XP/Vista/7 (not officially supported)

Comments:
Updated P4VM890 witth VIA P4M900 chipset, drops Windows 9x support, gets new IGP with WDDM DirectX 9 cappable GPU, but i heard is extremenly weak, even slower than the dreaded GMA 900/950, i need to futher test the board and verify the IGP features, also gets a newer southbridge with SATA II ports and replaces AC97 with HDA for the onboard audio

What is your biggest Pentium 4 Collection?
Socket 423/478 Motherboards with Universal AGP Slot
Socket 478 Motherboards with PCI-E Slots
LGA 775 Motherboards with AGP Slots
Experiences and thoughts with Socket 423 systems

Reply 26 of 41, by max1024

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One Question: Has anyone tried to work on the motherboard - Asrock P4i945GC 4GBx1 (or 8Gbx2) memory stics? (usuall, not registered/ecc).

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Reply 27 of 41, by agent_x007

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You can't test them without 64-bit capable PGA 478 (32-bit CPUs can't adress over 4GB memory range by design).
On top of that, low capacity ones (the NOT AMD cheap stuff, and the one with highest chance of working on Intel platforms), are expensive : LINK.
I don't own any 🙁

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Reply 28 of 41, by max1024

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In a 32-bit OS, you can remove restrictions on the total memory size, to use PAE patch, so that it is possible, only 4 GB per process will remain the only restriction, and at least 32 GB on any OS from XP to 7 and higher.
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Reply 29 of 41, by The Serpent Rider

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only 4 GB per process will remain the only restriction

Some chunk of memory will still be not available if there's no address remap.

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Reply 30 of 41, by andrea

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agent_x007 wrote:

You can't test them without 64-bit capable PGA 478 (32-bit CPUs can't adress over 4GB memory range by design).
On top of that, low capacity ones (the NOT AMD cheap stuff, and the one with highest chance of working on Intel platforms), are expensive : LINK.
I don't own any 🙁

Even with a 64 bit CPU it would be pointless, 945 doesn't support address remap and you'd be stuck with 3.something (if you get 3.25 you are lucky) gigs of usable memory.

Reply 31 of 41, by max1024

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This is not a specific case, but the approach to solving the problem is probably a suitable one.

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Reply 32 of 41, by agent_x007

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andrea wrote:

Even with a 64 bit CPU it would be pointless, 945 doesn't support address remap and you'd be stuck with 3.something (if you get 3.25 you are lucky) gigs of usable memory.

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Got lucky then, that is P4i945GC on the right pic 😉

You can't install Windows 8.1 x64 or 10 x64 on PGA 478 (lack of instructions).

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Reply 33 of 41, by The Serpent Rider

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It all depends on how much "stuff" you have on the board (especially integrated). In the best case scenario - 3.8 gb will be available for use.

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Reply 34 of 41, by andrea

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Well, I stand corrected then. I only ever got 3.1-ish GB on the couple 945 boards I've ever messed with, and the general Internet consesus then was along the lines of "Just be glad it didn't set itself on fire". 😀

Reply 35 of 41, by Carlos S. M.

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Intel 945 series chipsets doesn't memory remap support all, >=4 gb will be always seen as ~3.5 GB, i did get a 945 board post (Dell Dimension 9150) with 4x 2 GB RAM, Dell BIOS could see all 8 gb, but all OSes even Windows x64 and linux x86-64 only detected 3.5 gb ram, tried XP x64, 7 x64 and 10 x64 and ubuntu 18.04 lts 64 bit, Windows 7+ sees as "8 GB (3.5 GB usable)"

What is your biggest Pentium 4 Collection?
Socket 423/478 Motherboards with Universal AGP Slot
Socket 478 Motherboards with PCI-E Slots
LGA 775 Motherboards with AGP Slots
Experiences and thoughts with Socket 423 systems

Reply 36 of 41, by The Serpent Rider

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>=4 gb will be always seen as ~3.5 GB, i did get a 945 board post

It's more about 32-bit OS with PAE. 64-bit capable Socket 478 CPUs are too rare anyway.

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Reply 37 of 41, by Carlos S. M.

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The Serpent Rider wrote:

>=4 gb will be always seen as ~3.5 GB, i did get a 945 board post

It's more about 32-bit OS with PAE. 64-bit capable Socket 478 CPUs are too rare anyway.

yeah, i did my testing with an LGA 775 board, but pretty much all 945 chipset variants suffers from the same limitations, the same aftermentioned limitations also affected 915 and 925 series, 955X, 975X and the 965 series did not suffer from the limitation, iirc G31/P31 has the same limitations as well

What is your biggest Pentium 4 Collection?
Socket 423/478 Motherboards with Universal AGP Slot
Socket 478 Motherboards with PCI-E Slots
LGA 775 Motherboards with AGP Slots
Experiences and thoughts with Socket 423 systems

Reply 38 of 41, by shatll1975

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Recently got Biostar P4M900-M4.
Without a bios update, it didn't want to get Win 7 x32 at all and Win XP with the external video card (BSOD).
After the update seems like everything is ok.
Works with P4/512/800/2800Mhz.
Video card - Nvidia FX3800, 1GB.
RAM - 3GB DDR2.
Even plays 720p video on youtube. 🤣.

Reply 39 of 41, by retardware

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Tetrium wrote:

It would fit nicely with the s370/Tualatin/C3/ISA list me and another Vogoner made a while ago 😀.

I did not find my mobo in your list. It is Baby AT (no ATX) form factor, and has no ISA slot, though.