may shed some light
http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=1088

and
http://www.vogonswiki.com/index.php/ATI#3D_Rage_II
look at the rage pro entry

Putas is using an OpenGL wrapper for his tests using this card AFAIK. You can use Techland's wrapper from Crime Cities to try the Quake 2 on this card. Don't expect miracles though 😁.

Thanks guys. And no, there will be no miracles with the IIc. It got a whopping 290 in 3DMark99 1024x768 16bit. 🤣

So I'll just be moving on from this card then.

It has two things going for it: runs super cool, without even a heatsink, and has nice 2D display quality. I was touching the core during 3DMark and it barely got warm.

Maybe Scitech GLDirect

Can anyone clarify if Rage IIc is an improved Rage II+ or a stripped Rage Pro? Which driver set does it use?

Anonymous Coward wrote:

Can anyone clarify if Rage IIc is an improved Rage II+ or a stripped Rage Pro? Which driver set does it use?

According to Wikipedia:

The 3D Rage IIc was the last version of the Rage II core and offered optional AGP support.

Techpowerup says the IIc is based on the Mach64 GT IIC graphics processor. To me that sounds like it is not a stripped Rage Pro, but rather a revised previous gen Mach64.

AMD's legacy driver page only offers 4.11.2474 for the IIc. I'm guessing that was the last driver revision to support the IIc.

yeah i believe rage2c is an update of the old rage2 core as well, its performance is about one third of the rage pro.

The guy in the rage3d forum was trying to run Quake3 on the Rage IIc? 😵
I have not good memories even on time correct d3d games back then.

I'm curious why Rage IIc even exists if it's really a Rage II. Rage Pro was supposed to be the successor to/improved version of the Rage II+, with the main added features being AGP and OpenGL support. As far as I know they were both released around the same time, and both can be used as drop in replacements for the Rage II+ cards. I just want to know why ATi would develop two separate products when it would be way cheaper/easier to just strip a Rage Pro.

I'd just like to see some official ATi product literature that explains this once and for all.
Just something to take into consideration:

-The ATi VGAWonder GT was not a VGA Wonder. It was a relabeled Graphics Ultra. (for marketing reasons)
-There exists a VGA1024 that is based on Mach32, rather than a VGAWonder like every other 1024 card.
-The Rage Pro sucked, so they tried renaming it the Rage Pro Turbo to trick people into thinking it was faster

The Rage Pro Turbo did become decent after a bajillion driver updates though, didn't it?

Anonymous Coward wrote:

I'm curious why Rage IIc even exists if it's really a Rage II.

I believe it was a high-volume, low-cost, entry-level graphics card. If you search 'rage iic' in the PC Mag archives there's a bunch of hits in 1998 and they are typically advertised in budget systems, with the higher-end models sporting the Rage Pro.

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Rage IIc has working Win3x-drivers. It seems that these are "patched" VESA-Drivers, but they are working fine. RageProLT has no working Win3x-drivers, even with the WFW/or patched VESA-Drivers I only get a corrpted screen. Beside that RageIIc is working with Amithlon-Boot-CD. RageProLT not. I this can be patched later, I don't know. I only made a first boot. I am currently searching for games that support the RageII(c) directly.... Does onyone have a good working wrapper for OGL? I would love to play some DoomGL on it, because my PCX1 does not work with this.

Doc

Rage II/II+ has ATi original OpenGL drivers for Windows NT 3.51, i have not tested them (OPGL351.EXE and OPGL351.TXT)
maybe they work with Rage2c AGP cards also somehow, but for sure they are for RageII and RageII+ earlier ATi videocards.

OPGL351.EXE 714,6 kB Display Driver with OpenGL support for ATI 3D RAGE II/II+, this is release R101.16 of the ATI 3D RAGE II June 26,1997 - Windows NT 3.51 OpenGL driver.

Also we have Windows NT 4.0 driver with OpenGL support for 3D RAGE PRO and 3D RAGE II+ / II - release 4.3.92 of the ATI October 8,1997 (nt404392.exe and nt404392.txt)

nt404392.txt readme has available OpenGL driver support info for theses cards and systems:
3D RAGE PRO: Windows NT 4.0 (ON WEB and ON CD) , Windows NT 3.51 (ON WEB, N/A ON CD)
3D RAG E II/II+: Windows NT 4.0 (ON WEB, N/A ON CD), Windows NT 3.51 (ON WEB, N/A ON CD)

ON WEB - The driver is available on h t t p : / w w w . a t i t e c h . c a
ON CD - The driver is available on CD ROM.

NT3.51 drivers without OpenGL i have for Rage Pro :
Anybody has file or file name for Rage Pro and NT 3.51 drivers with OpenGL support, like OPGL351.EXE is for RageII/II+?
I hope someone can share those missing files. If anybody needs RageII/II+ NT OpenGL drivers, i can share. Thank you!

Rage2 WinNT OpenGL drivers:
https://www.upload.ee/files/15435715/winnt-ra … rivers.zip.html

Interesting find...thx...I'll have a look on that.

Rage2/2+ Nt3.51 OPGL351.EXE driver has two OpenGL files inside: atiogl.dll (this is old ati3dcif.dll 4.03.2150 file) and second is igxogl.dll. Someone should test this driver out with PCI version Rage2C first and upgrade atiogl.dll (ati3dcif.dll at least to 4.10.2661) for Rage2/2+ it should just work.

3dcif files:
https://gona.mactar.hu/ATI3DCIF/drivers/all_ATI3DCIF_DLL.zip
https://gona.mactar.hu/ATI3DCIF/

Rage2C PCI card:
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/3d-rage-iic-pci.c874

This should be NT3.51 Rage2C drivers, cant unpack these japan drivers so easly to see inside:
https://ftp.zx.net.nz/pub/archive/ftp.compaq. … 000/sp13626.txt
https://ftp.zx.net.nz/pub/archive/ftp.compaq. … 000/sp13626.exe
With Japan OS or some unpack trick should help to extract these files, message it gives:
Cannot be run in US mode or some similar text in dos and windows98.

I have rechecked the performance of the IIc with K6 2/350CXT and it's sooo poor...
...image quality is great though, but performance...man...the mystique 220 4MB drives circles around it...

Due to the very poor performance I will stick to the mga myst220 PCI in that machine.

Another thing to add to my "digital archaeology" list, I have to find the HDD from the machine I had setup with a RageII+ DVD and the late "minigl" type driver that worked with that. That was early oughts, so probably had the best available by then, but don't know if it was the latest. It was 1990s standard "playable" i.e. 15+ fps on the lower res setting of Q3 engine stuff. I believe it may have come from Rage3D.com available for download in 2001, not sure how many site redos they've done since and how apocalyptic they were (old stuff deletion rather than just hard to find)

dr.zeissler wrote on 2023-07-14, 15:50:

I have rechecked the performance of the IIc with K6 2/350CXT and it's sooo poor...
...image quality is great though, but performance...man...the mystique 220 4MB drives circles around it...

Due to the very poor performance I will stick to the mga myst220 PCI in that machine.

I know, Rage2 is for 2D and Rage3 is for 3D, i would love to see Rage Pro with OpenGL stuff @ NT3.51, but seems that Rage3 cards where oriented more NT4 and up. Old ATi website said somewhere@wayback that RagePro PCI cards are for NT3.51 and not AGP one (for AGP use regular driver).
I do not have NT3.51 installed at the moment. 😀

If you want more out of rage2c i would use rage2-tweaker, still missing two working zip files (vbfix.zip and vbocx.zip)
Rage 2 Tweaker Runtimes download link works with right click, but both files are @ 131kb and broken.
https://web.archive.org/web/19981206122726/ht … linds/vbfix.htm
https://web.archive.org/web/19981206073307/ht … .uk/~conb/rage/
I think even after some tweaks the Rage2 line still cant handle 3d @ mininal 20-30fps@ok res.