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First post, by jarreboum

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Ok so first off I know nothing about server racks and their standard.

I have this case which, though a desktop not a rack, seems to conform in terms of slot placements to a 2U server case.

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(The white one is mine, the black one is a random server)

I bought a 2U riser card to go with it, the only one I could find that would rise an ISA card, the GHP-200 from Guanghsing Industrial Co.,Ltd.

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But it doesn't fit! More specifically, it's too short: when populated with cards, the riser hovers just above the PCI slot it should fit in, less than a millimetre above. If I fit it properly, it places the cards exactly halfway in between the case cut-outs. As if the middle card top cut should align with the backplate top cut.

The case optionally comes with a 3xPCI riser, which I suppose is standard sized:

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I don't understand why a 2U riser doesn't fit in a 2U case. And to make matter worse, it's the only riser I could ever find with an ISA slot.

I do have a radical solution: cutting away the topmost PCI slot so that I can fit a flexible PCI riser in its place. The ISA part is connected via the ribbon so would be unaffected. But it's quite a permanent solution and I would like to avoid resorting to such a drastic measure. But I don't see any other way.

Reply 2 of 4, by yawetaG

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Are you sure the riser board actually works with your motherboard? Most boards that use risers are made so they can only use specific riser board models; if your motherboard does not support risers with ISA slots it won't work.

As for the riser board you have, Guanghsing also makes riser boards for specific motherboard models that go into proprietary case formats. Maybe it's one of those?

The case you have may look like a 2U server case, but it isn't one. Most desktop cases that use risers can only be used with specific riser cards made for the case.

Reply 3 of 4, by jarreboum

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The riser fits in a PCI slot, it's not a proprietary slot for a specific case. Or so I thought. The product page makes no mentions of any specifications, it's literally "2xPCI, 1xISA Slots Riser Card for 2U Chassis". And when I look at pictures of 2U servers, and after weeding out all the non-standard cases with proprietary motherboards and risers (and that's a lot), the ones that I find that accept ATX look exactly the same as mine from the back. Same motherboard backplate dimensions, same apparent distances between the various elements. But obviously I must be wrong somewhere, as stuff simply doesn't fit.

Thanks for the link, I'll have a go at measuring my card.

Reply 4 of 4, by yawetaG

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jarreboum wrote:

And when I look at pictures of 2U servers, and after weeding out all the non-standard cases with proprietary motherboards and risers (and that's a lot), the ones that I find that accept ATX look exactly the same as mine from the back. Same motherboard backplate dimensions, same apparent distances between the various elements. But obviously I must be wrong somewhere, as stuff simply doesn't fit.

One thing that life has taught me is to avoid thinking "apparent distances" can be a guide for precisely fitting parts to actually fit 😊 . It makes the difference between, say, a 1/8" machine screw and a 3 mm machine screw, which may look similar, but certainly are not. The 1/8" machine screw will not hold in a 3 mm hole, while even though it's possible to fit a 3 mm machine screw in a 1/8" hole, the screw threads will get trashed and it might be impossible to remove the screw afterwards.

Find yourself the technical manual of the product you are comparing with and check the measurements listed against those of your own case (you may also have to look at a 2U server motherboard manual) - use calipers or a ruler when making measurements on your own case, not your eyeball!