Hi guys. Are there any NT4.0 VxD drivers for the SB Live CT4760?
rcarkk wrote on 2021-03-17, 20:40:Hi guys. Are there any NT4.0 VxD drivers for the SB Live CT4760?
NT does not support VXD drivers .
darry wrote on 2021-03-17, 21:37:rcarkk wrote on 2021-03-17, 20:40:Hi guys. Are there any NT4.0 VxD drivers for the SB Live CT4760?
NT does not support VXD drivers .
Do you have any recomended NT4.0 drivers for the SB Live?
Try these, I just set up NT4 on a Pentium Pro with a Live! Value (CT4830). I also further installed the latest update that can be found on Creative's website (sblwntup.exe).
Works really great for me at the moment, the only issue I encountered was a conflict that was solved by switching PCI slots with a PCMCIA controller on the board. The thing is, NT4 did not notify me of this and even though the drivers seemed to install fine, the sound card was not recognized. Keep it in mind if you notice weird behavior.
Garrett W wrote on 2021-03-18, 10:31:Try these, I just set up NT4 on a Pentium Pro with a Live! Value (CT4830). I also further installed the latest update that can be found on Creative's website (sblwntup.exe).
Works really great for me at the moment, the only issue I encountered was a conflict that was solved by switching PCI slots with a PCMCIA controller on the board. The thing is, NT4 did not notify me of this and even though the drivers seemed to install fine, the sound card was not recognized. Keep it in mind if you notice weird behavior.
Have you tried other drivers? Are these reference drivers from Creative?
rcarkk wrote on 2021-03-18, 11:04:Garrett W wrote on 2021-03-18, 10:31:Try these, I just set up NT4 on a Pentium Pro with a Live! Value (CT4830). I also further installed the latest update that can be found on Creative's website (sblwntup.exe).
Works really great for me at the moment, the only issue I encountered was a conflict that was solved by switching PCI slots with a PCMCIA controller on the board. The thing is, NT4 did not notify me of this and even though the drivers seemed to install fine, the sound card was not recognized. Keep it in mind if you notice weird behavior.
Have you tried other drivers? Are these reference drivers from Creative?
Creative Labs still have NT 4 drivers for download for the Live! Series of cards, if you want them officially from the source .
Please share what you are hoping/expecting from those drivers .
Installed this SB Live drivers
WinNT Live! Ware 3.0 SBLW-WEBUP-2-US
Date: 16th June '99
Revision: 1.03.001
Horrible experience. The Voodoo 2 came from 46.9fps @ 800x600 in Quake 2 without sound to 25.0fps with drivers and sound at 22KHz. How can i see if these are WDM or VxD drivers?
Quake 2 actually slightly increased performance in NT4.0 compared to 98SE without sound in software mode, going from 14.9fps to 16.0fps. I guess Pentium Pro really shines on full 32bit environment, but the diference is not that great to be honest.
rcarkk wrote on 2021-03-19, 11:02:Installed this SB Live drivers […]
Installed this SB Live drivers
WinNT Live! Ware 3.0 SBLW-WEBUP-2-US
Date: 16th June '99
Revision: 1.03.001Horrible experience. The Voodoo 2 came from 46.9fps @ 800x600 in Quake 2 without sound to 25.0fps with drivers and sound at 22KHz. How can i see if these are WDM or VxD drivers?
Quake 2 actually slightly increased performance in NT4.0 compared to 98SE without sound in software mode, going from 14.9fps to 16.0fps. I guess Pentium Pro really shines on full 32bit environment, but the diference is not that great to be honest.
Unfortunately, I can't comment on the performance issues as I haven't used NT 4 in over 10 years and have never used a Live! under it .
The driver is neither WDM, which NT 4 does not support (NT based OS support for WDM driver started with Windows 2000) nor, as mentioned before, VxD, which no version of NT ever supported .
NT 4 and earlier supported what is called the "NT driver model" . See this discussion and its links https://reactos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7299
darry wrote on 2021-03-19, 13:25:Unfortunately, I can't comment on the performance issues as I haven't used NT 4 in over 10 years and have never used a Live! und […]
rcarkk wrote on 2021-03-19, 11:02:Installed this SB Live drivers […]
Installed this SB Live drivers
WinNT Live! Ware 3.0 SBLW-WEBUP-2-US
Date: 16th June '99
Revision: 1.03.001Horrible experience. The Voodoo 2 came from 46.9fps @ 800x600 in Quake 2 without sound to 25.0fps with drivers and sound at 22KHz. How can i see if these are WDM or VxD drivers?
Quake 2 actually slightly increased performance in NT4.0 compared to 98SE without sound in software mode, going from 14.9fps to 16.0fps. I guess Pentium Pro really shines on full 32bit environment, but the diference is not that great to be honest.Unfortunately, I can't comment on the performance issues as I haven't used NT 4 in over 10 years and have never used a Live! under it .
The driver is neither WDM, which NT 4 does not support (NT based OS support for WDM driver started with Windows 2000) nor, as mentioned before, VxD, which no version of NT ever supported .
NT 4 and earlier supported what is called the "NT driver model" . See this discussion and its links https://reactos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7299
Interesting info. At this point i don´t see the need of NT4.0. Even to extract the best of the PPro. If the sound drivers make the system slower than 98SE with VxD, it´s very dificult to recomend this OS for gaming. I will still try to install other drivers for the Live 1024 CT4760 and will apply service pack 3. USB support is very buggy to. Freezing all the time. Need to find the Directx5 beta for NT4.0 executable, but links are not working anywere.
rcarkk wrote on 2021-03-19, 13:34:it´s very dificult to recomend this OS for gaming
It was never meant for multimedia/gaming, I'm surprised Creative has drivers available for the Live to begin with, but really as long as the Windows sounds work that's about what could be expected. It's meant for boring workstation or server stuff and supporting multiple processors.
It wasn't until Win2000 that NT became useful for 'consumer', i.e. multimedia/gaming, usage.
Oetker wrote on 2021-03-19, 14:25:rcarkk wrote on 2021-03-19, 13:34:it´s very dificult to recomend this OS for gaming
It was never meant for multimedia/gaming, I'm surprised Creative has drivers available for the Live to begin with, but really as long as the Windows sounds work that's about what could be expected. It's meant for boring workstation or server stuff and supporting multiple processors.
It wasn't until Win2000 that NT became useful for 'consumer', i.e. multimedia/gaming, usage.
Yes, and the performance uplift on Pentium Pro 200, from games of 1997/1998 is minimal from using NT4.0 compared to 98SE.
16.0fps vs 14.9fps in Quake 2 software @512x384 and 46.9fps vs 46.1fps using the Voodoo 2, is not a big of a deal, considering what people talk about 98SE hybrid 16/32bit instructions and PPro performance penaltie for not being full 32bit like the NT4.0 And this is without sound card.
Once the sound card is running the performance is worse from what i´m seeing. Like you say, it´s a workstation OS...
Maybe the performance penalty would be less with an older, simpler sound card such as an ISA SB16, might be worth investigating.
rcarkk wrote on 2021-03-19, 13:34:darry wrote on 2021-03-19, 13:25:Unfortunately, I can't comment on the performance issues as I haven't used NT 4 in over 10 years and have never used a Live! und […]
rcarkk wrote on 2021-03-19, 11:02:Installed this SB Live drivers […]
Installed this SB Live drivers
WinNT Live! Ware 3.0 SBLW-WEBUP-2-US
Date: 16th June '99
Revision: 1.03.001Horrible experience. The Voodoo 2 came from 46.9fps @ 800x600 in Quake 2 without sound to 25.0fps with drivers and sound at 22KHz. How can i see if these are WDM or VxD drivers?
Quake 2 actually slightly increased performance in NT4.0 compared to 98SE without sound in software mode, going from 14.9fps to 16.0fps. I guess Pentium Pro really shines on full 32bit environment, but the diference is not that great to be honest.Unfortunately, I can't comment on the performance issues as I haven't used NT 4 in over 10 years and have never used a Live! under it .
The driver is neither WDM, which NT 4 does not support (NT based OS support for WDM driver started with Windows 2000) nor, as mentioned before, VxD, which no version of NT ever supported .
NT 4 and earlier supported what is called the "NT driver model" . See this discussion and its links https://reactos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7299
Interesting info. At this point i don´t see the need of NT4.0. Even to extract the best of the PPro. If the sound drivers make the system slower than 98SE with VxD, it´s very dificult to recomend this OS for gaming. I will still try to install other drivers for the Live 1024 CT4760 and will apply service pack 3. USB support is very buggy to. Freezing all the time. Need to find the Directx5 beta for NT4.0 executable, but links are not working anywere.
You might find the DirectX 5 beta, but are there any GPU drivers for NT 4 that will actually offer accelerated Direct3D support, even with that DirectX 5 beta installed ?
Oetker wrote on 2021-03-19, 15:06:Maybe the performance penalty would be less with an older, simpler sound card such as an ISA SB16, might be worth investigating.
The board i´m using the PPro is the only one i have. ISA slots don´t detect any sound card on startup, dos or windows. This board was fully recapped in February. I sent the board to my friend, without knowing if it was working. He needed to remove all caps to make the board post with the PPro he had. The one i bought from him to. Everything does work correctly except ISA, which is weird, but that´s why i´m using a Live in it
darry wrote on 2021-03-19, 15:13:rcarkk wrote on 2021-03-19, 13:34:darry wrote on 2021-03-19, 13:25:Unfortunately, I can't comment on the performance issues as I haven't used NT 4 in over 10 years and have never used a Live! under it .
The driver is neither WDM, which NT 4 does not support (NT based OS support for WDM driver started with Windows 2000) nor, as mentioned before, VxD, which no version of NT ever supported .
NT 4 and earlier supported what is called the "NT driver model" . See this discussion and its links https://reactos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7299
Interesting info. At this point i don´t see the need of NT4.0. Even to extract the best of the PPro. If the sound drivers make the system slower than 98SE with VxD, it´s very dificult to recomend this OS for gaming. I will still try to install other drivers for the Live 1024 CT4760 and will apply service pack 3. USB support is very buggy to. Freezing all the time. Need to find the Directx5 beta for NT4.0 executable, but links are not working anywere.
You might find the DirectX 5 beta, but are there any GPU drivers for NT 4 that will actually offer accelerated Direct3D support, even with that DirectX 5 beta installed ?
Quake 2 is running with wavesound instead DirectSound. Maybe with DX5 running, it could use DirectSound and performance could be better
rcarkk wrote on 2021-03-19, 15:35:darry wrote on 2021-03-19, 15:13:rcarkk wrote on 2021-03-19, 13:34:Interesting info. At this point i don´t see the need of NT4.0. Even to extract the best of the PPro. If the sound drivers make the system slower than 98SE with VxD, it´s very dificult to recomend this OS for gaming. I will still try to install other drivers for the Live 1024 CT4760 and will apply service pack 3. USB support is very buggy to. Freezing all the time. Need to find the Directx5 beta for NT4.0 executable, but links are not working anywere.
You might find the DirectX 5 beta, but are there any GPU drivers for NT 4 that will actually offer accelerated Direct3D support, even with that DirectX 5 beta installed ?
Quake 2 is running with wavesound instead DirectSound. Maybe with DX5 running, it could use DirectSound and performance could be better
That is going under the assumption that Creative (or any other sound card manufacturer) actually bothered to develop drivers with support for an API (directsound) that, AFAIK, was never officially supported under NT 4, other than possibly through 'emulation' on top of MME, AFAIK . Please correct me if I am wrong .
That said, maybe performance could still improve even through 'emulated' directsound versus direct use of waveout, assuming that Directx 5 beta allows it to work.
darry wrote on 2021-03-19, 16:46:rcarkk wrote on 2021-03-19, 15:35:darry wrote on 2021-03-19, 15:13:You might find the DirectX 5 beta, but are there any GPU drivers for NT 4 that will actually offer accelerated Direct3D support, even with that DirectX 5 beta installed ?
Quake 2 is running with wavesound instead DirectSound. Maybe with DX5 running, it could use DirectSound and performance could be better
That is going under the assumption that Creative (or any other sound card manufacturer) actually bothered to develop drivers with support for an API (directsound) that, AFAIK, was never officially supported under NT 4, other than possibly through 'emulation' on top of MME, AFAIK . Please correct me if I am wrong .
That said, maybe performance could still improve even through 'emulated' directsound versus direct use of waveout, assuming that Directx 5 beta allows it to work.
If you search for dx5nt4.zip using https://www.mmnt.ru/int/ , you should find what you are looking for .
darry wrote on 2021-03-19, 16:46:rcarkk wrote on 2021-03-19, 15:35:darry wrote on 2021-03-19, 15:13:You might find the DirectX 5 beta, but are there any GPU drivers for NT 4 that will actually offer accelerated Direct3D support, even with that DirectX 5 beta installed ?
Quake 2 is running with wavesound instead DirectSound. Maybe with DX5 running, it could use DirectSound and performance could be better
That is going under the assumption that Creative (or any other sound card manufacturer) actually bothered to develop drivers with support for an API (directsound) that, AFAIK, was never officially supported under NT 4, other than possibly through 'emulation' on top of MME, AFAIK . Please correct me if I am wrong .
That said, maybe performance could still improve even through 'emulated' directsound versus direct use of waveout, assuming that Directx 5 beta allows it to work.
Well, i´m just trying to see what i can get on NT4.0. Not going to quit NT, before trying everything first. I thought that having DX5 could give Directsound on some games.
rcarkk wrote on 2021-03-19, 17:54:darry wrote on 2021-03-19, 16:46:rcarkk wrote on 2021-03-19, 15:35:Quake 2 is running with wavesound instead DirectSound. Maybe with DX5 running, it could use DirectSound and performance could be better
That is going under the assumption that Creative (or any other sound card manufacturer) actually bothered to develop drivers with support for an API (directsound) that, AFAIK, was never officially supported under NT 4, other than possibly through 'emulation' on top of MME, AFAIK . Please correct me if I am wrong .
That said, maybe performance could still improve even through 'emulated' directsound versus direct use of waveout, assuming that Directx 5 beta allows it to work.
Well, i´m just trying to see what i can get on NT4.0. Not going to quit NT, before trying everything first. I thought that having DX5 could give Directsound on some games.
Unable to open the two links that the search gives
http://edv-janssen.synology.me/nt4/html/dx5.h … mQ1xKKDxvpZFmZ8
An user discovered this link. Already downloaded the zip file. Fingers crossed on this DX5nt4.0 zip
