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Pentium MMX 233 aiming for the stars!

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First post, by Sphere478

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The long awaited prequel to Skalabala’s k6 aiming for the stars thread!! AMD K6 3DMARK, aiming for stars.

!!!Pentium MMX 233 aiming for the stars!!!

Competition rules: single or dual Pentium MMX (p55c, no tillamook, no p54c) any mobo, any fsb, any gfx, any gfx slot, any OS, 3dmark 2000 (updated)

I want to try and get the absolute highest score possible on 3d mark 2000 with a pentium 233

But let’s get this out of the way, it’s not going to be me with the highest score in this thread 🤣
Because I’m limited to 66x3.5 but ya’ll go crazy with the phase change 🤣

Myhardware I will mainly be using is pentium 233 dual (at 233), pci graphics (or adapted to pci), 430hx

But where to start

I have a:
pci 6200
Pci 5500
Pci 7000
Pci 7500
Pci x1300 (drivers need sse?)
Pci x600 (fire gl thing with dumb connector)
Pci 9000 (firegl thing, with dumb connector)
Rage 128 (doesn’t work on this mobo)

I’d like to get a voodoo, but that hasn’t happened yet, also, I’d kinda like to see who has the record with a setup like this first. So I can put money toward something that will actually be a step in the best direction.

Things of note: my board doesn’t have 3.3v pci, for the right card if proven to be a good combo I can add 3.3v to the card maybe via sata plug or regulator.

Currently, this is my best score with a radeon 7500 64 bit and win ME using cat 6.2? I think it was?

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Reply 1 of 75, by mwdmeyer

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Pentium 233 MMX
3dfx Voodoo 3 2000 PCI 16MB
Soltek SL-54U5 - 512k/L2 Cache
128MB Ram
Windows 98 SE

3DMark2000 - 1024x768 16bit (default) - 519 3dmarks

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Reply 2 of 75, by the3dfxdude

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Why just 440hx at a fixed cpu clock? This is basically just a video card race as it is, which I'm sure some people would know the result already. I'd be flexible to all the Intel pentium chipsets.

I have a 440tx. I'd participate with an intel pentium + intel mb square off, to see where that will lead, as these are still quite capable machines that don't see much attention.

Reply 3 of 75, by Sphere478

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the3dfxdude wrote on 2022-01-28, 16:26:

Why just 440hx at a fixed cpu clock? This is basically just a video card race as it is, which I'm sure some people would know the result already. I'd be flexible to all the Intel pentium chipsets.

I have a 440tx. I'd participate with an intel pentium + intel mb square off, to see where that will lead, as these are still quite capable machines that don't see much attention.

430.

Because two pentiums. 😀

As said, yal’ll go ham wild. I’m stickin with the 430 hx dual pentium.

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Reply 4 of 75, by cyclone3d

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That second CPU is not doing you any good in Windows ME.

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Reply 5 of 75, by Sphere478

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cyclone3d wrote on 2022-01-29, 02:13:

That second CPU is not doing you any good in Windows ME.

I’ll probably do the record attempts in 9x/ME but normal use under XP. Yeah, you’re correct.

Sphere's PCB projects.
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Sphere’s socket 5/7 cpu collection.
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Tyan S1564S to S1564D single to dual processor conversion (also s1563 and s1562)

Reply 6 of 75, by Garrett W

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Here's mine:

MMX 233
3Dfx Voodoo Banshee PCI
OEM 430TX based board
64MB RAM
Win95 OSR2.5

3DMark2000 - 640x480 16bit - 436 3Dmarks

I might give it a go at 1024x768 just to see that Banshee way out of its league. I have a GeForce4 MX440 PCI that will really help out in this situation with TnL, but I'm somewhat unwilling to mess with my setup right now. Is CPU overclocking allowed for the results to be valid?

Reply 7 of 75, by Aebtdom

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Voodoo 2 SLI on fastvoodoo 4.6 with mismatch.
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As to be expected a serious cpu bottleneck.

Builds:

Xp2400+ gf3 ti200 + vd2 SLI 12MB + 768MB + SB live @ WinXP & 98 Dualboot.

MMX233 + S3trio 3D/X2 8MB + 3Dfx Voodoo 1 + AWE64 + 64MB SDR @ msdos / win98.

Reply 8 of 75, by Sphere478

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Aebtdom wrote on 2022-01-29, 13:04:
Voodoo 2 SLI on fastvoodoo 4.6 with mismatch. 1024x768x16 default 3dm2000 20220129_132707.jpg 800x600x16 default 3dm99 20220129_ […]
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Voodoo 2 SLI on fastvoodoo 4.6 with mismatch.
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800x600x16 default 3dm99
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As to be expected a serious cpu bottleneck.

I’m actually surprised to see that my radeon 7500 is out performing the voodoos.

Anyone have a voodoo 5 to try?

Sphere's PCB projects.
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Sphere’s socket 5/7 cpu collection.
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SUCCESSFUL K6-2+ to K6-3+ Full Cache Enable Mod
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Tyan S1564S to S1564D single to dual processor conversion (also s1563 and s1562)

Reply 9 of 75, by mwdmeyer

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Why? Makes sense. The 7500 has HW T&L, I expect it would also beat a Voodoo 5.

Also you're very CPU bottlenecked so I doubt a V5 would be faster than a V3 in a P1!

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Reply 10 of 75, by BitWrangler

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It's a battle between driver overhead crippling the card from feeding the GPU fast enough and the actual capability of the GPU architecture...

Spoiler

Fastest AGP video card for Super socket 7 platform?

Unicorn herding operations are proceeding, but all the totes of hens teeth and barrels of rocking horse poop give them plenty of hiding spots.

Reply 11 of 75, by Aebtdom

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Sphere478 wrote on 2022-01-29, 19:32:
Aebtdom wrote on 2022-01-29, 13:04:
Voodoo 2 SLI on fastvoodoo 4.6 with mismatch. 1024x768x16 default 3dm2000 20220129_132707.jpg 800x600x16 default 3dm99 20220129_ […]
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Voodoo 2 SLI on fastvoodoo 4.6 with mismatch.
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800x600x16 default 3dm99
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As to be expected a serious cpu bottleneck.

I’m actually surprised to see that my radeon 7500 is out performing the voodoos.

Anyone have a voodoo 5 to try?

Well I think the difference is that you have a dual cpu? And also hw t&l seriously defeats a cpu's software t&l. I am curious about your 3dm99 results though.

Builds:

Xp2400+ gf3 ti200 + vd2 SLI 12MB + 768MB + SB live @ WinXP & 98 Dualboot.

MMX233 + S3trio 3D/X2 8MB + 3Dfx Voodoo 1 + AWE64 + 64MB SDR @ msdos / win98.

Reply 12 of 75, by Aebtdom

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And here some bottlenecked voodoo2 SLI Quake 2 on demo2.dm2 results.

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I think the mmx can do 39,7 ish fps?

Builds:

Xp2400+ gf3 ti200 + vd2 SLI 12MB + 768MB + SB live @ WinXP & 98 Dualboot.

MMX233 + S3trio 3D/X2 8MB + 3Dfx Voodoo 1 + AWE64 + 64MB SDR @ msdos / win98.

Reply 13 of 75, by Sphere478

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Aebtdom wrote on 2022-01-30, 07:42:
Sphere478 wrote on 2022-01-29, 19:32:
Aebtdom wrote on 2022-01-29, 13:04:
Voodoo 2 SLI on fastvoodoo 4.6 with mismatch. 1024x768x16 default 3dm2000 20220129_132707.jpg 800x600x16 default 3dm99 20220129_ […]
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Voodoo 2 SLI on fastvoodoo 4.6 with mismatch.
1024x768x16 default 3dm2000
20220129_132707.jpg
800x600x16 default 3dm99
20220129_133044.jpg
As to be expected a serious cpu bottleneck.

I’m actually surprised to see that my radeon 7500 is out performing the voodoos.

Anyone have a voodoo 5 to try?

Well I think the difference is that you have a dual cpu? And also hw t&l seriously defeats a cpu's software t&l. I am curious about your 3dm99 results though.

Only one cpu used on my posted run (win ME)

Sphere's PCB projects.
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Sphere’s socket 5/7 cpu collection.
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SUCCESSFUL K6-2+ to K6-3+ Full Cache Enable Mod
-
Tyan S1564S to S1564D single to dual processor conversion (also s1563 and s1562)

Reply 14 of 75, by Aebtdom

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Sphere478 wrote on 2022-01-30, 09:36:
Aebtdom wrote on 2022-01-30, 07:42:
Sphere478 wrote on 2022-01-29, 19:32:

I’m actually surprised to see that my radeon 7500 is out performing the voodoos.

Anyone have a voodoo 5 to try?

Well I think the difference is that you have a dual cpu? And also hw t&l seriously defeats a cpu's software t&l. I am curious about your 3dm99 results though.

Only one cpu used on my posted run (win ME)

That makes me even more interested in the non t&l 3dm99 and quake2 results of your setup.

I even got Medal of Honor Allied Assault started (with the WickedGL dll) every resolution same results on Stalingrad between 8 and 28 fps, from looking outside up to looking into a wall on the outside of the map. Averaging around 12fps i guess on lowest detail. And the lack of T&L really matters here.

Builds:

Xp2400+ gf3 ti200 + vd2 SLI 12MB + 768MB + SB live @ WinXP & 98 Dualboot.

MMX233 + S3trio 3D/X2 8MB + 3Dfx Voodoo 1 + AWE64 + 64MB SDR @ msdos / win98.

Reply 15 of 75, by Sphere478

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Aebtdom wrote on 2022-01-30, 19:00:
Sphere478 wrote on 2022-01-30, 09:36:
Aebtdom wrote on 2022-01-30, 07:42:

Well I think the difference is that you have a dual cpu? And also hw t&l seriously defeats a cpu's software t&l. I am curious about your 3dm99 results though.

Only one cpu used on my posted run (win ME)

That makes me even more interested in the non t&l 3dm99 and quake2 results of your setup.

I even got Medal of Honor Allied Assault started (with the WickedGL dll) every resolution same results on Stalingrad between 8 and 28 fps, from looking outside up to looking into a wall on the outside of the map. Averaging around 12fps i guess on lowest detail. And the lack of T&L really matters here.

Idk why but 3dm99 never seems to want to work when I try installing it. Says something about being corrupt. I can try re downloading.

Link me on quake you want me to run.

Sphere's PCB projects.
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Sphere’s socket 5/7 cpu collection.
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SUCCESSFUL K6-2+ to K6-3+ Full Cache Enable Mod
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Tyan S1564S to S1564D single to dual processor conversion (also s1563 and s1562)

Reply 16 of 75, by Aebtdom

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The version I am running is from this link.
[EDIT: link to warez removed]

Downloading is slow at best from the website as a zipfile, sometimes you will have more luck torrenting it.

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Builds:

Xp2400+ gf3 ti200 + vd2 SLI 12MB + 768MB + SB live @ WinXP & 98 Dualboot.

MMX233 + S3trio 3D/X2 8MB + 3Dfx Voodoo 1 + AWE64 + 64MB SDR @ msdos / win98.

Reply 17 of 75, by Sphere478

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Aebtdom wrote on 2022-01-31, 01:42:

The version I am running is from this link.
[EDIT: link to warez removed]

Downloading is slow at best from the website as a zipfile, sometimes you will have more luck torrenting it.

I tried getting that to work but had no luck. The program won’t launch idk what issue is.

I also tried getting 3dm99 to work under xpsp2 no luck.

I did get it to install on my k63+ under xpsp2
Idk what the heck is up with the 3dm99 installer, but it seems to be a crap shoot if 99 works at any given time.

I did get 3dm2001 to work under xpsp2 here is that:

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Sphere’s socket 5/7 cpu collection.
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SUCCESSFUL K6-2+ to K6-3+ Full Cache Enable Mod
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Tyan S1564S to S1564D single to dual processor conversion (also s1563 and s1562)

Reply 18 of 75, by Sphere478

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I wasn’t able to get my quadro nvs 400 to work under windows ME because of resource issues with the card once drivers were installed

But I did get it to work under windows XP sp2 using the xpsp2 driver

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Sphere’s socket 5/7 cpu collection.
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SUCCESSFUL K6-2+ to K6-3+ Full Cache Enable Mod
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Tyan S1564S to S1564D single to dual processor conversion (also s1563 and s1562)

Reply 19 of 75, by Aebtdom

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Nice, but do you have any more cpu appropiate benchmarks?

Builds:

Xp2400+ gf3 ti200 + vd2 SLI 12MB + 768MB + SB live @ WinXP & 98 Dualboot.

MMX233 + S3trio 3D/X2 8MB + 3Dfx Voodoo 1 + AWE64 + 64MB SDR @ msdos / win98.