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First post, by Aui

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Hi everyone - I got my hands on an old DELL 466/ME and I like it a lot.

Restoration is almost finished and there is just one last, but yet difficult remaining problem. The PC has a Canon MD 5511 Dual Floppy drive. The good news is - that the large 5.25 inch drive is working ok. However the smaller 3.5 inch drive is not - and I am running out of ideas what could be the problem. Here is a quick list of things tried so far:
- the drive looks clean and there is no obvious damage etc.
- I cleaned the drive and added new Li-grease to the gear driving the head.
- cleaned the heads with IPA
- the drive is spinning
- the drive is recognized in BIOS and DOS
- I can access the drive and it recognizes it and starts reading (tested with a known good disk) - but stops after a few seconds ("cant read disk...")
- If I try to format a new disk it also starts formating but aborts with a message "invalid track / track 0 bad / disk unusable"
- Any ideas how to save the PC in its current style would be greatly appreciated as I feel it would loose a lot of charm if the dual drive is replaced.

Thanks already in advance for any ideas and suggestions.

Reply 1 of 3, by Aui

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Hi again everyone, this is just an update - but not very promising
I tried again to get the 3.5 FDD working with more cleaning, lubrication and various disks. What I found - is this:

When I very gently push down on the drive head while it acesses the disk (bringing it closer to the disk) - the drive will actually read the disk - at least the file and directory structure.
I recognized that there is a small spring, which pushes the head onto the disk once a disk is loaded, so perhaps this spring has become too weak or some other mechanical issue prevents the proper alignment of the disk head.
However, this does not mean that the drive can actually execute any files.

I also read, that it is generally possible to realign these drives by directly reading out the signal graph from the drive - but thats beyond my abilities and my available tools.

For the moment - it seems Im out of luck. Clearly - such highly specialized items like the dual drives have even more limited repair options once they fail.

cheers

Reply 2 of 3, by Nunoalex

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Aui wrote on 2022-03-08, 06:32:
Hi again everyone, this is just an update - but not very promising I tried again to get the 3.5 FDD working with more cleaning, […]
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Hi again everyone, this is just an update - but not very promising
I tried again to get the 3.5 FDD working with more cleaning, lubrication and various disks. What I found - is this:

When I very gently push down on the drive head while it acesses the disk (bringing it closer to the disk) - the drive will actually read the disk - at least the file and directory structure.
I recognized that there is a small spring, which pushes the head onto the disk once a disk is loaded, so perhaps this spring has become too weak or some other mechanical issue prevents the proper alignment of the disk head.
However, this does not mean that the drive can actually execute any files.

I also read, that it is generally possible to realign these drives by directly reading out the signal graph from the drive - but thats beyond my abilities and my available tools.

For the moment - it seems Im out of luck. Clearly - such highly specialized items like the dual drives have even more limited repair options once they fail.

cheers

Hi
Did you make any progress with your drive ?

I have a similar one but have not tested it yet... first I want to open it to clean and grease, but seems a very complex drive...

cheers

Reply 3 of 3, by Horun

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I have a working Canon MD 7511, basically same but updated dual drive. The 5.25" part is a similar to most 5.25 but the 3.5" is a very specific added part. On mine the cover to 3.5" uses pinch point/tabs to keep the cover on and uses 3 micro ribbon cables to attach to the 5.25" main board.
One thing to keep in mind: If factory standard and put on the end of floppy cable (after the twist) then the 5.25" is A and 3.5" is B.
If attached to first connector before the twist then 3.5" is A and 5.25" is B. There is 4 micro jumpers that one supposedly swaps A/B but never got it to work that way. That is about all I know....

Hate posting a reply and then have to edit it because it made no sense 😁 First computer was an IBM 3270 workstation with CGA monitor. Stuff: https://archive.org/details/@horun