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Reply 1180 of 1199, by keropi

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zb10948 wrote on 2025-01-18, 19:08:

ofc I did.

It's not a mapper issue either because Winamp also doesn't work, opening the device directly.

Both players (Winamp with internal plugin and Media Player through mapper) switch their respective system normally but no audio.

is this a fresh win95 installation or you upgraded from an existing one with some other soundcard prior installed?
it might also be the case that win95 need the previous version of the driver - I attach the generic v272 one , give it a go if this works better or not
I do not remember any win95 issues (but I guess most people just use 98SE nowadays) but I do remember issues when a previous soundcard driver was installed.

you will probably mess up win95 with adding/removing drivers so be prepared for this... :\

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Reply 1181 of 1199, by zb10948

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Thanks for help,

When Crystal driver is installed, e.g. button install pressed in the setup window, soon it asks for reboot.
Upon reboot, Windows still can't find the driver(s), still identifying each 'device' as CS4237B, unless I point it to the installation directory. What is the point of first reboot then? Is this the correct behaviour?

I've deinstalled drivers using option from newest version setup, and on reboot they weren't there, and I installed the one from attachment. No change.

Reply 1183 of 1199, by zb10948

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Ok, got the reason, it's jumped to 330h and Windows device is still on 300h. I moved the resource manually and it produced sound, but it seemed off, I wasn't sure whether the song is really ill-arranged for Dreamblaster. Once I stopped it I had a hanging note that did not go with restart, power cycled the PC, and Windows is now refusing to work with manual setting.

I can move the jumper to 300h but I somehow suspect this should work and there is something iffy about my setup, 330h is the default setting after all.

Reply 1184 of 1199, by keropi

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zb10948 wrote on 2025-01-18, 21:52:

Ok, got the reason, it's jumped to 330h and Windows device is still on 300h. I moved the resource manually and it produced sound, but it seemed off, I wasn't sure whether the song is really ill-arranged for Dreamblaster. Once I stopped it I had a hanging note that did not go with restart, power cycled the PC, and Windows is now refusing to work with manual setting.

I can move the jumper to 300h but I somehow suspect this should work and there is something iffy about my setup, 330h is the default setting after all.

sounds like a classic conflict because both you have both MPUs trying to use address 330 - the jumper only controls PCMIDI MPU , CSMPU is software controlled via windriver (or orphinit under DOS)
so if you want 2 mpus then leave PCMIDI at port330 and put CSMPU at port300 (or just disable CSMPU and have everything controlled from PCMIDI at port330).
this would solve the issue

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Reply 1185 of 1199, by zb10948

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Hm. I don't quite understand. When I got the card I left it on default settings and it's been running for months under DOS. After orphinit, wavetable sound is through port 330h.

Then on Windows 95, I have same 5 devices as in site's screenshot ,there is no PCMIDI (through generic MPU-401) driver, only CS MPU. And that CS MPU is autoconfigured for port 300h, works as a MIDI device, but it's obviously not routed to the wavetable.

What am I missing here?

Reply 1186 of 1199, by zb10948

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Solved. Manual "add new hardware", Roland MPU drivers from PCMIDI site, selected right address/IRQ and now wavetable works correctly thorugh that. Thanks for the help, appreciated 😀

Btw. in my orphinit.ini for dos CSMPU is disabled.

Reply 1187 of 1199, by keropi

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Excellent 😀
And yep - the defaults that the card ships are csmpu disabled in orphinit and everything controlled by pcmidi mpu ... Windows is another deal, everything gets installed and unless you do a fresh installation pcmidi is not automatically added since it's not a pnp device.

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Reply 1188 of 1199, by zb10948

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Great. I should've used my head a bit more, if I didn't know there was a support thread here already, I wouldn't be so lazy 😁

This is a passive P100 machine w 24MB ram with ARK video chip, running on picoPSU, only CF media. With Orpheus - it's been tailored to run in an audio rack, so EM and in turn audible noise on my PA system is absolutely none. I run the whole chain analogue. The touted Creative cards I find unfit for this purpose due to snr. At least the models that I have...

Btw. the install was fresh, I wanted to use a bit more powerful MIDI players than what's available on DOS or Win3 so I did a new install on separate CF. A 330h device was not installed, only 300h CSMPU.
Maybe a sidenote on the site that this could happen and user should just install PCMIDI manually in that case, is warranted.

Reply 1189 of 1199, by Kahenraz

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I can confirm that PCMIDI (Roland MPU401) is not detected or installed automatically, because it predates plug and play. I think it might be detected with the Add New Hardware Wizard, but can always be added manually in Windows.

Reply 1190 of 1199, by keropi

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Yes you can use add new hardware and have windows scan for it or just select from the list but with a fresh windows installation this non-pnp scan happens automatically to add such devices... Perhaps the scanner just found csmpu and just ignored the pcmidi , it is a possibility

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Reply 1191 of 1199, by Kahenraz

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keropi is correct that it is usually detected during a clean install, since this also runs the Hardware Wizard. I meant that it's not detected automatically when slotted into a machine where Windows is already installed.

Reply 1192 of 1199, by keropi

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zb10948 wrote on 2025-01-19, 13:33:

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Maybe a sidenote on the site that this could happen and user should just install PCMIDI manually in that case, is warranted.

it is already there since months IIRC, there is a note on the PCMIDI drivers section
but since there is too much info it is not very hard to miss this, I will make it larger

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Reply 1193 of 1199, by zb10948

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Kahenraz wrote on 2025-01-19, 18:56:

keropi is correct that it is usually detected during a clean install, since this also runs the Hardware Wizard. I meant that it's not detected automatically when slotted into a machine where Windows is already installed.

In my case it wasn't detected during a "clean install", e.g. during installation.
Hardware has been set up and moved into rack months ago. Just popped out the DOS CF, inserted Win95B boot one+setup files, and installed the system.

If I recall correctly, after install in dev.mgr situation was two CS4237B entries w/error under Unknown, and a generic Sb16 and OPL3 driver in the Sound and Multimedia. I did not go to MIDI mapper to see if there was a correct, generic 330h driver there prior to Crystal drivers installation.

Reply 1195 of 1199, by NJRoadfan

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A few notes playing with my card:

The Windows 3.1x drivers are as awful as claimed. For some reason digital audio playback continuously loops even though there isn't an IRQ conflict. There is a solution though. Install the GUS PnP drivers and use that for digital audio and use the SuperSAPI! FM driver for the OPL3.

Next up is Impulse Tracker. As others have noted, the software mixer, whether its from the Crystal WSS driver, or the Interwave CODEC driver, sounds superior to the Interwave hardware mixing driver. Sounds like it has more high end and better stereo seperation. I also tried out the EMU8000 driver (since I have an AWE32 handy) and it too pales in comparison to the software mixer, even on the noisier SB16 section of that card. I'm also impressed that this lowly 486 DX4-100 has no problem mixing 32-channel tracker music.

Reply 1196 of 1199, by keropi

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NJRoadfan wrote on 2025-02-03, 23:45:

A few notes playing with my card:

The Windows 3.1x drivers are as awful as claimed. For some reason digital audio playback continuously loops even though there isn't an IRQ conflict. [...]

yeah, the win3x drivers are a special case... and it's weird because apparently some thought went into them with the dedicated control applications...
did you check win/system.ini ? IIRC the driver writes the resource values over there as well and if there is a mismatch you get issues like what you describe

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Reply 1197 of 1199, by NJRoadfan

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I checked and its IRQ5 across the board. Even swapped over to IRQ7 and still doesn't work right. I suspect its a driver conflict of some sort because it worked once when first installed before I installed the GUS PnP drivers. This also isn't a clean install of Windows 3.11, so there may be bits of the old AWE32 drivers laying around too. Eventually I'll get a clean setup on there for testing, otherwise the card works fine in DOS.

Another weird issue I encountered was on the GUS PnP side. The Windows 3.1 drivers seemed to randomly wipe out the resource values stored in IW.INI if I forgot to run ULTRASND.BAT to init the card before loading Windows. I just made a backup and restored when needed.

Overall, it seemed less of a hassle to run this card in a non-PnP BIOS machine. Just run the init tools and go.

Reply 1198 of 1199, by Duffman

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@keropi

Any chance you could open source the Orpheus II? or the LT? in case anyone wants to source the components themselves and build one?

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Reply 1199 of 1199, by keropi

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Duffman wrote on 2025-02-06, 16:17:

@keropi

Any chance you could open source the Orpheus II? or the LT? in case anyone wants to source the components themselves and build one?

it is in the future plans once we are done completely with it
but I cannot really give you a date atm

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