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First post, by UselessSoftware

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I got this baby AT board from a friend at work today. He wasn't sure what model it is, but after a little bit of Googling it appears to be a PCChips M559. Anyone have any experience with these? I know sometimes some of these later socket 7 boards can have chipsets that are a little quirky. Hopefully this isn't one of them!

Retro Web says this maxes out at 128 MB of RAM. Is this true, or can it actually handle more? I'm hoping it can handle 256-512 MB, as I was hoping to install Windows Server 2000 and run a few services on it.

If not, it should still make a great machine for mid 90's games at least. Not sure how compatible the onboard audio chipset is with DOS stuff but can always throw an SB16 in there if there are issues.

Reply 1 of 12, by PD2JK

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Well... The L2 cache has traces to the processor, so that's a good start. 😉

The sound chip isn't that bad, here is some reading:
https://www.karlsitretro.com/soundpro-ht1869v-review/

Last edited by PD2JK on 2023-08-23, 15:01. Edited 1 time in total.

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Reply 2 of 12, by UselessSoftware

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PD2JK wrote on 2023-08-23, 14:57:

Well... The L2 cache has traces to the processor, so that's a good start. 😉

That's definitely a win. 😆

I appreciate the link about the sound chip, there's some useful info in there.

I'll slap a CPU in it tonight and see if it even works. Then see if it can handle two 256 MB sticks of SDRAM! Not hopeful about that, but we'll see...

Reply 3 of 12, by Sphere478

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Vx pro. Kinda reminds me of the 430vx I wonder if it is a rebrand. If so, yeah 128mb is max

Here found some info:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/72/21

Looks like max addressable ram is 128mb

But unless you install a k6-3, k6-2+ or k6-3+ you should not install more than 64mb (if you will only use 64mb or less) 128 will still probably be faster than page file if you are actually needing that much.

If you want more than 64mb strongly consider those processors I suggested.

Sphere's PCB projects.
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Sphere’s socket 5/7 cpu collection.
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SUCCESSFUL K6-2+ to K6-3+ Full Cache Enable Mod
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Tyan S1564S to S1564D single to dual processor conversion (also s1563 and s1562)

Reply 4 of 12, by Joseph_Joestar

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That integrated sound card is pretty good for DOS gaming.

The CMI8330 chip that it's based on is quite capable and has SBPro/SB16/WSS compatibility. Its OPL3 clone is spot on as well.

Last edited by Joseph_Joestar on 2023-08-23, 17:54. Edited 1 time in total.

PC#1: Pentium MMX 166 / Soyo SY-5BT / S3 Trio64V+ / Voodoo1 / YMF719 / AWE64 Gold / SC-155
PC#2: AthlonXP 2100+ / ECS K7VTA3 / Voodoo3 / Audigy2 / Vortex2
PC#3: Core 2 Duo E8600 / Foxconn P35AX-S / X800 / Audigy2 ZS
PC#4: i5-3570K / MSI Z77A-G43 / GTX 980Ti / X-Fi Titanium

Reply 5 of 12, by jakethompson1

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VX Pro II is apparently relabeled Utron U801x (which I've never heard of): https://hardwaresecrets.com/chipset-aliases-t … -vx-pro-and-co/

http://leoandfanny.bplaced.net/vintagecompute … C501/index.html
Above site says it doesn't support SDRAM. So I suggest you stick with a pair of 64MB 72-pin EDO SIMMs. EDO DIMMs were uncommon in PC-compatibles (but apparently common on the Mac side and Unix workstations etc.) so unlikely to be in your junk drawer. Using SIMMs also avoids any voltage concerns.

Also you might consider any cacheable limits.

Reply 6 of 12, by Sphere478

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The link above says it supports sd ram. But these early implementations were rather low performing

Suggest double sided 32, double sided 32 or double sided 64, double sided 64

About any pc100 ram stick you find for these will max out the timings the board is capable of

Unless you are indeed right about sd not being supported.

Sphere's PCB projects.
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Sphere’s socket 5/7 cpu collection.
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SUCCESSFUL K6-2+ to K6-3+ Full Cache Enable Mod
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Tyan S1564S to S1564D single to dual processor conversion (also s1563 and s1562)

Reply 7 of 12, by UselessSoftware

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Thanks for digging up some of the tech details. So, this model is sounding pretty ideal to just stick 64 MB into and make it into a capable DOS/Win98 gaming box. I have a P233 MMX that would be a good fit here.

I also have a Soyo SY-5SSM (with SiS 530 chipset) on the way from eBay that looks like it would be much better for playing around with Windows Server. It's capable of handling up to 768 MB RAM. Server 2003 might even be reasonable on that. Not sure if this board has 512 KB or 1 MB of L2.

Reply 8 of 12, by Sphere478

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I’ve noticed on many of the late ss7 mobos while some can go as high as 1.5gb many are often happiest and most stable with single sided 384mb especially the via ones. (Yeah, single sided, weird, I know)

Sphere's PCB projects.
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Sphere’s socket 5/7 cpu collection.
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SUCCESSFUL K6-2+ to K6-3+ Full Cache Enable Mod
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Tyan S1564S to S1564D single to dual processor conversion (also s1563 and s1562)

Reply 9 of 12, by rasz_pl

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sound card chip might not be terrible, but this is pcchips so you will hear every interrupt in the system. Moving mouse, HDD reading, etc all generating clicks.

https://github.com/raszpl/sigrok-disk FM/MFM/RLL decoder
https://github.com/raszpl/FIC-486-GAC-2-Cache-Module (AT&T Globalyst)
https://github.com/raszpl/386RC-16 ram board
https://github.com/raszpl/440BX Reference Design adapted to Kicad

Reply 10 of 12, by Joseph_Joestar

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rasz_pl wrote on 2023-08-24, 02:48:

sound card chip might not be terrible, but this is pcchips so you will hear every interrupt in the system. Moving mouse, HDD reading, etc all generating clicks.

I have a PC Chips M571 motherboard and its integrated CMI8330 sound card is pretty much noise-free.

Of course, I can't speak for the OPs board, being a different model and all, but I wouldn't write it off simply because it was made by PC Chips.

PC#1: Pentium MMX 166 / Soyo SY-5BT / S3 Trio64V+ / Voodoo1 / YMF719 / AWE64 Gold / SC-155
PC#2: AthlonXP 2100+ / ECS K7VTA3 / Voodoo3 / Audigy2 / Vortex2
PC#3: Core 2 Duo E8600 / Foxconn P35AX-S / X800 / Audigy2 ZS
PC#4: i5-3570K / MSI Z77A-G43 / GTX 980Ti / X-Fi Titanium

Reply 11 of 12, by Sphere478

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rasz_pl wrote on 2023-08-24, 02:48:

sound card chip might not be terrible, but this is pcchips so you will hear every interrupt in the system. Moving mouse, HDD reading, etc all generating clicks.

Is it bad that that sounds really cool? I wanna hear that! Lol

Sphere's PCB projects.
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Sphere’s socket 5/7 cpu collection.
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SUCCESSFUL K6-2+ to K6-3+ Full Cache Enable Mod
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Tyan S1564S to S1564D single to dual processor conversion (also s1563 and s1562)

Reply 12 of 12, by jakethompson1

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UselessSoftware wrote on 2023-08-23, 20:28:

Thanks for digging up some of the tech details. So, this model is sounding pretty ideal to just stick 64 MB into and make it into a capable DOS/Win98 gaming box. I have a P233 MMX that would be a good fit here.

I also have a Soyo SY-5SSM (with SiS 530 chipset) on the way from eBay that looks like it would be much better for playing around with Windows Server. It's capable of handling up to 768 MB RAM. Server 2003 might even be reasonable on that. Not sure if this board has 512 KB or 1 MB of L2.

The SiS 530 datasheet suggests a cacheable memory region of 64MB with 512K cache and 128MB with 1MB cache and those are more realistic maximums. I can't tell if you get how extreme putting 768MB in a Super 7 platform is. It's unlikely the engineers that made the board could even test it with those large DIMMs not available yet. You have to anticipate running into low vs. high density issues or any other random reason it just won't work.

If you want to mess with Win2000 I think you will be happier with Pentium III, early Pentium 4, or Athlon/Athlon XP.