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First post, by acl

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Hi

I have 3 Konix dual game port ISA card. I've seen this card elsewhere online (Google image, ebay) but I can't find any manual or technical information.

I would like to know if someone have information about it.

Is there a driver required ? (probably not, but asking anyway). Is it well supported ?
Is there some address or IRQ to declare somewhere in autoexec.bat to use them ?
Why is there an XT / PC switch on the card ? ressources related ?
Why are all my 3 cards different (resistors on the right side are different)

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I would like to add one of these to a system on which the joystick port from the sound card is used for midi.

Thank you very much !

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Reply 1 of 8, by Horun

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Just my observation....Back in the XT era game ports rarely allowed two joysticks for multiplayer gaming on same computer without need of splitter cable. I think these allow two simple 4 axis two button types to work without a splitter.
Yes they may work to use along side MIDI but only experimenting will tell. The XT/PC switch maybe changes the timing (known issue is fast AT's can cause issues with a Joystick port, or could be something else).
Different rev's might be the diff of different resistors...
That is all I got on quick look over...

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Reply 2 of 8, by weedeewee

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All the resistors that are present on all three boards are the same value.
1 board that is missing components has two HCT chips in stead of LS, this board has 4 yellow-ish capacitors
1 board has that is missing components has 4 blue-ish capacitors
1 board has 4 what looks like pink-ish resistors in the place of the location of the other two boards where the capacitors are located, and has 4 more what still look like green resistors (coils?) .

likely supporting a total of 4 axis, two per joystick, and 4 buttons, also two per joystick.

Any chance of a photo of the backside ?

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Reply 3 of 8, by giantclam

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Capacitors are all same value ; the greenish components are inductors ; differences between HCT & LS are small and various (consult datasheets)

Reply 4 of 8, by acl

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Horun wrote on 2023-10-15, 02:36:
Just my observation....Back in the XT era game ports rarely allowed two joysticks for multiplayer gaming on same computer withou […]
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Just my observation....Back in the XT era game ports rarely allowed two joysticks for multiplayer gaming on same computer without need of splitter cable. I think these allow two simple 4 axis two button types to work without a splitter.
Yes they may work to use along side MIDI but only experimenting will tell. The XT/PC switch maybe changes the timing (known issue is fast AT's can cause issues with a Joystick port, or could be something else).
Different rev's might be the diff of different resistors...
That is all I got on quick look over...

I'll probably install it in a Pentium MMX 233 system (I'm running it at around 150Mhz instead to help with speed sensitive games)

weedeewee wrote on 2023-10-15, 11:18:

1 board that is missing components has two HCT chips in stead of LS, this board has 4 yellow-ish capacitors

Oh yes. Good catch.

weedeewee wrote on 2023-10-15, 11:18:

Any chance of a photo of the backside ?

Sure.

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giantclam wrote on 2023-10-15, 11:51:

Capacitors are all same value ; the greenish components are inductors ; differences between HCT & LS are small and various (consult datasheets)

Should be great to have some of these remanufactured. Some might find these card useful. This design sould be very easy to clone. A few 74xx chips, a quad timer and a few passive components. Simple PCB.

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Reply 5 of 8, by weedeewee

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One backside was enough since they're all the same pcb. 😀
the PC/XT switch might just be to handle the ISA bus speed difference. 4.77MHz/8MHz (or vice versa).

Could you measure the pink-ish looking resistors to see if they're resistors or some kind of capacitor ?

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Reply 6 of 8, by acl

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weedeewee wrote on 2023-10-15, 14:11:

One backside was enough since they're all the same pcb. 😀
the PC/XT switch might just be to handle the ISA bus speed difference. 4.77MHz/8MHz (or vice versa).

Could you measure the pink-ish looking resistors to see if they're resistors or some kind of capacitor ?

Resistors.
I tested the pink ones and the yellow ones that are at the same place on another card.

All values are around 860 ohm if my reading is correct.

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Reply 7 of 8, by weedeewee

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must be in parallel with something. Those yellow ones are for sure capacitors, same as the blue ones.
Though... i'm not getting what could get you a resistance value of 865... curious.

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