Interesting...what are those LP 64MB AGP cards that have a R9600 chip ?

EDIT: found here https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/firegl- … 00-t2-64s.c3097

dr.zeissler wrote on 2024-10-10, 13:44:

Interesting...what are those LP 64MB AGP cards that have a R9600 chip ?

EDIT: found here https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/firegl- … 00-t2-64s.c3097

RV350 chips yes, probably 4ns memory or similar, bit slower memory, not 9600 2.8ns or faster.
Many RV351 may have slower 4 / 5ns memory, but there are 3.3ns/2.8ns ones out there for sure.

There are ATi Radeon 9600 Pro / XT cards also with DDR2, like Radeon 9550 DDR2 options.
Later releases may have more this RV351 or RV350 / 360 @ 110nm (end of 2004 or newer).

So some later released Radeon 9550 / 9600 / 9600 Pro cards have 110nmchips inside and
i am not suprised if later 9600XT-s as well are at 110nm, but for RV351 its for sure@110nm.

One 9600 Pro DDR2 card, why molex power needed there (dont look price).
https://universaldatasystems.org/shop/product … pro-45b-radeon/

Sapphire 9600XT 256MB DDR2 (DDR2 is also more power efficent than DRR)
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/ne … ase-help.23356/

Apple Radeon 9600/9650 AGP is also RV351 chips, not RV350
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6007869?sortBy=rank

Similar way we have 7600GT Rev B1, that has smaller 80nm die shrink and i have G73-B1.

There were no 80nm. It was all just a marketing for improved 90nm tech.

I think 11FL and 11F is RV351 110nm chip, not RV350 Radeon 9600P.

Aslo 11 and 13 numbers are NOT the lithography.

The Serpent Rider wrote on 2024-10-10, 18:18:

There were no 80nm. It was all just a marketing for improved 90nm tech. […]
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Similar way we have 7600GT Rev B1, that has smaller 80nm die shrink and i have G73-B1.

There were no 80nm. It was all just a marketing for improved 90nm tech.

I think 11FL and 11F is RV351 110nm chip, not RV350 Radeon 9600P.

Aslo 11 and 13 numbers are NOT the lithography.

So wiki is lying about 7600gt and also gpu-z? I have 7600gt b73-b1, not A1 or A2. Let the 7600GT B1 be Enhanched 90nm then.
If they lie, they lie@Nvidia&Wiki.

I did remove heatsink from my 9550 256mb 215RCNALA11FL and its core is smaller size than 215R8JCKA13F. CPU-Z Win9x does not detect this 9550 graphics, still at my original Radeon 9600 pro its shows it as RV350 or RV360. Drivers are for RV350 and inf edited Catalyst 4.2.

215RCNALA11FL shows up here as RV351LX, i install newer Windows to look it up with GPU-Z.
http://www.seekic.com/newstock/215RCNALA11FL_ … FL_ATI9550.html
https://theretroweb.com/chips/4151

GPU-Z can't detect a die-shrink of G92b cards reliably and falsely claims that some Radeon X800GTO cards are R430 110nm, despite having R480 130nm chips, so I doubt it can do anything about old AGP chip "stealth" die-shrink, which has even less information. Most likely these chips are fully interchangeable with original RV350, without any BIOS modification needed.

So wiki is lying about 7600gt and also gpu-z?

Upon further inspection - yeah, I noticed that B1 is actually physically smaller, so it's indeed 80nm.

So wiki is lying about 7600gt and also gpu-z?

Upon further inspection - yeah, I noticed that B1 is actually physically smaller, so it's indeed 80nm.

This Radeon 9550 vs 9600 Pro, the 9550 is bit smaller core. Installed Vista and installed Catalyst 10.2, GPU-Z shows still RV350 and 130nm.
CPU-Z do not detect Radeon 9550, but detects Radeon 9600 Pro. They should be using same RV350 core, i had latest CPU-Z and GPU-Z ver.
Bios seems R9550 RV350 one, but i havent checked Radeon 9600 Pro bios. I think i need real RV351 card and check the 215 / 216 codes there.

Edit:
RADEON 9600 (RV351 4155)
https://www.phoronix.com/news/MzU4

I think we need ATI Radeon 9600 Pro PC & Mac Edition 2xDVI cards (they work with PC and Mac out of the box) and they have RV351 supposedly.
109-A73533-00 2006/12/08 14:05 RV351 P/N 113-A73502-101 BIOS VER008.017D.034.004 Device ID 4150
109-A73503-00 2005/07/11 15:26 RV351 P/N 133-A58507-103 BIOS VER008.017D.034.004 Device ID 4150

109-A73533-00 inside regular PC with Win98,109-A73503-00 looks exactly same/similar, both with 2xDVI (Dual Link 2560x1600 supported).

ATi and Nvidia cards for Mac/PC
http://themacelite.wikidot.com/

Bios downloads
http://themacelite.wikidot.com/wikidownloads2

Flasher's Buying Guide - 9600
http://themacelite.wikidot.com/fbg-9600

ATi Flash how to
http://themacelite.wikidot.com/ati-flash

Both RV351 Pc/Mac VER008.017D.034.004 bioses added here. Device ID 4150, Subsystem ID 0002, Subvendor ID 1002.
Someone has this PC & Mac Edition card, like in the picture here, someone should remove heatsink, look it more closely.

Only Sapphire has one later dated and later version bios (VER008.017D.040.000) for Radeon 9600, all other 33 or older.
https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/855/sapph … 0pro-256-061226