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Reply 500 of 652, by darkpilot

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This looks good and damn I would love to have one for my current project recording game music using AWE64 for YouTube.
But it angers me that existing AWE64s are being destroyed for making a more expensive clone even if the quality would be better (although no FM over spdif is a huge disadvantage). So its kinda pointless in my opinion, unless it costs less that original.

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Reply 502 of 652, by Thermalwrong

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darkpilot wrote on 2021-01-19, 22:57:

This looks good and damn I would love to have one for my current project recording game music using AWE64 for YouTube.
But it angers me that existing AWE64s are being destroyed for making a more expensive clone even if the quality would be better (although no FM over spdif is a huge disadvantage). So its kinda pointless in my opinion, unless it costs less that original.

The CT4520 isn't that great to start out with. The SNR of the card isn't as good as this card, the AWE64 Gold, or the other AWE 64 value (CT4500) in my opinion. It has no OPL3 (only CQM) and only 512KB of memory unless you have a SIMMCONN or memory expansion card.

They're also fairly plentiful compared to the AWE32, SoundBlaster 32 and nicer AWE64 cards (CT4380, CT4390, CT4500). Since the cards aren't being destroyed, just improved, it should be a good thing?

The addition of HardMPU on the board is also a really nice improvement, if you want an all in one ISA card that handles all the soundcard and midi functions.

Reply 503 of 652, by darkpilot

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I hardly can find any AWEs locally (have found only 3 during last few years ). And paying over $100 on ebay is too much for me (#thirdworldproblems 😁).
So I feel kinda sad when I see old card being used as donor to make the more expensive one. Simmconn was the other thing as the new version costs 3 times cheaper than original memory upgrade).
Too bad AWE's chips were not reverse engineered like OPL3.

Still the project is quite interesting. I hope people will post comparison of original and new card features and sound quality.

Reply 504 of 652, by appiah4

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darkpilot wrote on 2021-01-20, 07:56:
I hardly can find any AWEs locally (have found only 3 during last few years ). And paying over $100 on ebay is too much for me […]
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I hardly can find any AWEs locally (have found only 3 during last few years ). And paying over $100 on ebay is too much for me (#thirdworldproblems 😁).
So I feel kinda sad when I see old card being used as donor to make the more expensive one. Simmconn was the other thing as the new version costs 3 times cheaper than original memory upgrade).
Too bad AWE's chips were not reverse engineered like OPL3.

Still the project is quite interesting. I hope people will post comparison of original and new card features and sound quality.

OPL3 is not quite reverse engineered and I know of no currently in production clone ICs..

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Reply 506 of 652, by appiah4

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darkpilot wrote on 2021-01-20, 13:20:

There are lot of of cloned OPLs (like LS262) on cheap sound cards

They were manufactured in the 80s and nobody knows who manufactured them and how.

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Reply 508 of 652, by appiah4

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darkpilot wrote on 2021-01-20, 13:35:

But still there are tons of them now. Its just sad that no one have cloned AWE32 and AWE64 chips

There isn't really a shortage of EMU800 chips either. I mean, I get your sensitivity but it's not a huge deal, really.

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Reply 509 of 652, by Joseph_Joestar

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appiah4 wrote on 2021-01-20, 13:26:

They were manufactured in the 80s and nobody knows who manufactured them and how.

More like mid '90s, which is conveniently the timeframe when the original FM synthesis patent expired. Some info on these 1:1 OPL3 copies can be found here:

http://www.os2museum.com/wp/opl3-copies/

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Reply 510 of 652, by Sphere478

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which operating systems will this also work in? I'm doing multi boot win 7, win ME, linux, DOS

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Reply 511 of 652, by mattrock1988

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Sphere478 wrote on 2021-01-29, 07:19:

which operating systems will this also work in? I'm doing multi boot win 7, win ME, linux, DOS

This card is unlikely to work in Windows 7. ISA support was essentially dropped by this point, outside of LPC bus, which is derived from ISA.

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Reply 512 of 652, by The Serpent Rider

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AWE64 can output only 11/22/44 kHz. You really don't want to use it even in XP environment.

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Reply 513 of 652, by God Of Gaming

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so it's basically only missing 48 kHz, as I don't think the average user has any need for 96 kHz and higher

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Reply 514 of 652, by Ulfenknulfen

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WOW, pretty nice - how much, and can i preorder?

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Reply 515 of 652, by Ulfenknulfen

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Could that be a solution?

https://www.ebay.de/itm/YMF262-M-YAMAHA-SOUND … FAAAOSw0iFfDcxP

That dont look like a fake.

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Reply 516 of 652, by Nitroraptor53

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Ulfenknulfen wrote on 2021-02-04, 19:07:
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Could that be a solution?

https://www.ebay.de/itm/YMF262-M-YAMAHA-SOUND … FAAAOSw0iFfDcxP

That dont look like a fake.

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Try a part supplier. https://www.digipart.com/part/ymf262

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Reply 517 of 652, by hard1k

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Hello guys!

And we're out of beta. We're releasing on time!
Renders of the final revision:

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It's already ordered:

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Estimated start of sales - April-May 2021. No pre-orders, priority will be given to those who is listed in the credits in the first post (authors of other projects that we've built upon), participated in the questionnaire, and beta testers.

Prices:
€300 / $360 - assembled PCB, PayPal as a gift
€270 / $325 - assembled PCB, PayPal as a gift, during the 1st week after we announce the start of orders, only for those who have priority (see above)
€100 / $120 - bare PCB* only with metal bracket, PayPal as a gift
€80 / $95 - bare PCB* only with metal bracket, RC1 revision with a minor bug that's been fixed, PayPal as a gift, EARLY SALES FOR THIS OPTION START RIGHT NOW

* Note: bare PCBs will not include any components, just the PCB itself and metal bracket. You will have to procure everything according to the BOM and assemble it yourself. No warranty, explicit or implied.

Worldwide shipping (from Moscow, Russia) is not included in the mentioned prices and costs €20 / $24 for bare PCBs and has to be calculated for assembled PCBs.

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Reply 518 of 652, by vetz

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Very nice!

May I ask which country the cards will be shipped from?

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Reply 519 of 652, by hard1k

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Moscow, Russia

Fortex, the A3D & XG/OPL3 accelerator (Vortex 2 + YMF744 combo sound card)
AWE64 Legacy
Please have a look at my wishlist (hosted on Amibay)