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Reply 840 of 875, by OMORES

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Looks good:

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Reply 841 of 875, by red-ray

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OMORES wrote on 2021-11-20, 09:02:

Looks good:

Thank you and with V5.62 BIOS-01 I feel SIV is as good as it can be. I plan to release Beta-01 in a few days and once I do please update to that.

Reply 842 of 875, by lolo799

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red-ray wrote on 2021-10-21, 16:18:
lolo799 wrote on 2021-10-21, 08:15:

The board was made by PiNON, named RT500 in the bios

OK, as I like to dot the i's and cross the t's I adjusted the attached SIV32X 5.61 Test-10 so it should report PiNON RT500, does it please?

From the Romance Daylight Time on the DEC Miata PWS433 I assumed you were in Europe, but felt it worth asking about Japanese as I assumed the XP Embedded could have the locale switched, can it?

Sorry for the delay in answering, I ran the 5.62 Beta-00 yesterday, it reports the brand and model fine.

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Reply 843 of 875, by red-ray

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lolo799 wrote on 2021-11-21, 10:07:

Sorry for the delay in answering, I ran the 5.62 Beta-00 yesterday, it reports the brand and model fine.

Thank you for checking out the changes and posting new save files. All the adjustments I made worked as I hoped they would.

Reply 844 of 875, by OMORES

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Another VIA MVP3 board tested today, with a Pentium 100Mhz. (reported as Pentium-S)

The "-S" on AWARD BIOSes indicates that the Pentium processor has power saving features. Eventually very late revisions of the AWARD BIOSes got rid of this, and was gone by the time of the Pentium II.

CPU is reported as unknown. [machine section]

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Reply 845 of 875, by red-ray

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OMORES wrote on 2021-11-21, 16:57:
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  1. Another VIA MVP3 board tested today, with a Pentium 100Mhz. (reported as Pentium-S)
  2. The "-S" on AWARD BIOSes indicates that the Pentium processor has power saving features. Eventually very late revisions of the AWARD BIOSes got rid of this, and was gone by the time of the Pentium II.

  3. CPU is reported as unknown. [machine section]

Thank you for the report and save file. This motherboard is quite tricky as it does not have an SMBIOS so SIV has the scan the BIOS and try and work things out. All the information in [Machine] is from these deductions.

  1. I can't see Pentium-S being reported, how can I tell it's a Pentium-S please?
  2. The .DMI file is a dump of the BIOS and it does not contain -S at all.
  3. Unknown is the socket upgrade, I should have changed it to ZIF Socket in the attached SIV32L 5.62 BIOS-02, please may I have new save files.

On NT4 and earlier SIV32L 5.62 BIOS-02 also reports if DBGHELP.dll + PSAPI.dll are missing on [SIV Lookup]

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The system had the Tahoma Font installed and looks the better for this.

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Reply 846 of 875, by OMORES

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red-ray wrote on 2021-11-22, 03:13:
  1. I can't see Pentium-S being reported, how can I tell it's a Pentium-S please?

Definitely it's reported as a "Pentium-S". 😀

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Reply 847 of 875, by red-ray

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OMORES wrote on 2021-11-24, 22:35:
red-ray wrote on 2021-11-22, 03:13:
  1. I can't see Pentium-S being reported, how can I tell it's a Pentium-S please?

Definitely it's reported as a "Pentium-S". 😀

I wonder how SIV could tell, do any Windows programs report it as Pentium-S and if so which?

I can see it is now, but it wasn't in the earlier screen shot.

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Reply 848 of 875, by weedeewee

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warm boot, cold boot.
Doesn't the -S just indicate some power saving feature?

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Reply 849 of 875, by red-ray

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OMORES wrote on 2021-11-21, 16:57:

The "-S" on AWARD BIOSes indicates that the Pentium processor has power saving features. Eventually very late revisions of the AWARD BIOSes got rid of this, and was gone by the time of the Pentium II.

weedeewee wrote on 2021-11-25, 10:12:

warm boot, cold boot.
Doesn't the -S just indicate some power saving feature?

That's what OMORES already said, but I don't know if it's possible for other than the BIOS to know this.

Reply 850 of 875, by weedeewee

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red-ray wrote on 2021-11-25, 11:47:
OMORES wrote on 2021-11-21, 16:57:

The "-S" on AWARD BIOSes indicates that the Pentium processor has power saving features. Eventually very late revisions of the AWARD BIOSes got rid of this, and was gone by the time of the Pentium II.

weedeewee wrote on 2021-11-25, 10:12:

warm boot, cold boot.
Doesn't the -S just indicate some power saving feature?

That's what OMORES already said, but I don't know if it's possible for other than the BIOS to know this.

google tells me only award bios did this label for pentium cpu, and looking up op's cpu, which is visible in one of his photos, leads me to think it's nothing special, just a plain old pentium cpu.

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Reply 851 of 875, by red-ray

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0xCats wrote on 2021-12-23, 13:19:

This is from a SiS552LV Processor. It has 8K of L1i and 8K of L1d. Not all that much is known about these VorteX86 based designs

AFAIK it's based on the Rise mP6 and has the 0.18µm Kirin core, please will you try SIV32L on it and post the Menu->File->Save Local file so I can see how SIV does?

The VorteX86 came after this SiS SiS SiS CPU.

Reply 852 of 875, by 0xCats

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red-ray wrote on 2021-12-23, 13:41:
0xCats wrote on 2021-12-23, 13:19:

This is from a SiS552LV Processor. It has 8K of L1i and 8K of L1d. Not all that much is known about these VorteX86 based designs

AFAIK it's based on the Rise mP6 and has the 0.18µm Kirin core, please will you try SIV32L on it and post the Menu->File->Save Local file so I can see how SIV does?

The VorteX86 came after this SiS SiS SiS CPU.

Sure here you go.
I checked the CPUID and it reports 505 unlike Kirin with 504.
So it's possibly a new ID for SiS specifically.

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Reply 853 of 875, by red-ray

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0xCats wrote on 2021-12-23, 16:44:

I checked the CPUID and it reports 505 unlike Kirin with 504.
So it's possibly a new ID for SiS specifically.

Thank you. As I recall this SiS CPU is a SoC implementation of the mp6 and given it has the * Chris Norrie * Easter Egg it must be mp6 derived.

Reply 854 of 875, by 0xCats

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Here is another one that may be of interest.
Dual 430NX, but I'm getting some odd values reported.
72Mhz FPM/FSB (it is 60Mhz)
Timings read as X444/x444 for Read/Write
But they are actually X444/X333 Read/Write.

Memory detects 128MB in Row 0.
However it should be 2 Rows of 64MB each.

About, the BIOS, it is custom built. So if you spot something out of the ordinary, also let me know so I can potentially fix it.

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Reply 855 of 875, by red-ray

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0xCats wrote on 2021-12-24, 12:00:
Here is another one that may be of interest. Dual 430NX, but I'm getting some odd values reported. […]
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Here is another one that may be of interest. Dual 430NX, but I'm getting some odd values reported.

  1. 72Mhz FPM/FSB (it is 60Mhz)
  2. Timings read as X444/x444 for Read/Write But they are actually X444/X333 Read/Write.
  3. Memory detects 128MB in Row 0. However it should be 2 Rows of 64MB each.

Thank you for the report and after looking at the save file I made some adjustments and this SIV32L 5.63 Test-01 should do better, does it please?

  1. Looking in the PCI config space at 50h it's A7h which looking at 3.2.12 in the datasheet means the HOF is 66MHz rather than 60MHz. This caused SIV to decide yo use a x 2.5 multiplier rather than x3.0. I should have adjusted SIV to allow for this, but I feel the value should be A6h (60MHz)
  2. I should have fixed this bug.
  3. Looking at 60h the values are 80h, 80h, 80h, ... and for two x 64MB it would be 40h, 80h, 80h, ... 40h, 40h, 80h, ... so I feel 128MB is correct.

For NT systems please may I also have such as C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator.SPRINT\My Documents\Software\SIV32L\SIV_SPRINT.dmi which is a binary dump of the BIOS that contains the data displayed on the [Machine] panel.

I don't think your motherboard reports SMBIOS/DMI data and I am unsure which motherboard you have. If you post a screen shot of the POST screen that shows the motherboard name and BIOS version I suspect I will be able to improve what SIV reports.

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Reply 856 of 875, by 0xCats

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Thanks for that, much appreciated.

Here is the new data including DMI file you requested. I see it also contains a copy of the BIOS region from RAM.
It is award 4.50PG and really it predates DMI and many modern features.
The BIOS is a custom conversion built from the AOpen DP5 bios, and looking at it again I think the 128MB row 0 configuration may be my doing.
I will have to change how the DRB and DRBE register is configured from the RAM detection routine. This bios adapts a 6 simm boards bios to a 4 simm.

This is the board in question:
Adventures in rebuilding a BIOS for the Sprint P5N-DP V3 (rare dual socket 5 board)

Other than that this now all looks good. FSB and timings are read correctly.
I will test a few more variations using all the other registers that SIV reads.

Wishing you a Merry Christmas

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Reply 857 of 875, by red-ray

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0xCats wrote on 2021-12-24, 14:36:

Thank you for the new save files and the link. I have adjusted SIV32L 5.63 Beta-01 such that it should report the board as AOpen P5-DP and made a few other improvements, please may I have new save files?

SIV failed to report the disk SMART information, do any utilities manage to do this? For me know know why I need the output from doing SIV32L -DBGSDM -exit=15 > SIV_DBGOUT.log | more. My guess is that the SiI PCI-0649 Bus Master Ultra DMA Controller does not support the SMART I/O operations.

I hope you had a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

Reply 858 of 875, by mastergamma12

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Upgraded my main system from a 9900k and Z390 Aorus Master to a 5950x and EVGA X570 FTW, SIV can't detect any sensors on the board from what I can see

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Reply 859 of 875, by red-ray

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mastergamma12 wrote on 2022-02-18, 02:47:

Upgraded to a 5950x and EVGA X570 FTW, SIV can't detect any sensors

Thank you for the report and looking at Menu->Hardware->Sensor Debug SIV did not detect a SIO/LPCIO at all! What does CPUZ report as the LPCIO on it's [Mainboard] tab?

Looking at [USB Bus] there is EVGA Product: 3842:300A:A112 and I wonder, does this reports the sensors? Do AIDA64, HWMonitor or any other 3rd party utilities report the sensors?