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Reply 20 of 61, by armani

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I have nearly 300 big box PC games (going to downsize a hefty portion that I don't really play soon), and I am extremely anal about everything regarding them.

Anything that came with the box a long time ago, including shrinkwrap, price stickers, ancient printed supplements, receipts all stay in the box. I am also very uncomfortable regarding mixing and matching with certain boxes, such as putting contents that came separately for one big box (at one point) inside another of the same big box I own, but on rare occasions, this rule doesn't apply, usually when the game is so rare that it would just be a bigger pain in the ass to hunt down another copy. I have only done this with a few boxes to date, a super HTF US big box variant of Theme Hospital, Powerdolls, and Twisted Metal 2. I would not open any of my sealed boxes, even though I'm definitely not one of those people who buys sealed games just to resell them later.

I will make an exception. If the game is common enough, I will open it or suggest opening it.

Reply 21 of 61, by WolverineDK

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I seem to remember that I mentioned in another thread, what if Heritage Auctions and what not of bad stuff(and mentioning Karl Jobst), happened with our little niche/hobby. Why do I smell something cooking/brewing and it is not a good smell ?
Einherje: personally I open my games. And save everything in the box if possible. Instead of keeping it sealed. Cause I am a PC games/video game player. Not a collector. Well, here are two videos from Karl Jobst, hence the reason why I smell a faint something something and it is not a good smell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvLFEh7V18A (Exposing FRAUD And DECEPTION In The Retro Video Game Market)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKbuNwS-gaI (The Retro Video Game Scam Gets Worse...)

Reply 22 of 61, by Errius

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How do you know the wrapping hasn't been added by a previous owner? Machines to do this are easily obtainable. It might be a Slipknot CD and pizza menu in there.

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Reply 24 of 61, by Meatball

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Errius wrote on 2022-01-12, 00:05:

How do you know the wrapping hasn't been added by a previous owner? Machines to do this are easily obtainable. It might be a Slipknot CD and pizza menu in there.

So far, I have not come across a single sealed game in which I could not tell the difference between a factory sealed and re-wrapped version. I've only ever come across after-market rewrapping in console games, which is not to say PC games aren't vulnerable. Generally, all you have to do is find one other sealed copy, and you'll be able to tell the difference if one is a fraud. There's always some kind of overlooked, yet rather obvious deficiency with the wraps such as missing stickers, folds, or the obvious seal line. No one is going to rewrap Star Wars: Force Unleashed II, and then turn around and sell it on eBay for $7.99. The original Bioshock, however, is one to watch out for since it has wrapping which is easier to duplicate.

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Reply 25 of 61, by Brawndo

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Errius wrote on 2022-01-12, 00:05:

How do you know the wrapping hasn't been added by a previous owner? Machines to do this are easily obtainable. It might be a Slipknot CD and pizza menu in there.

This is something I've always feared when ponying up for a "new sealed" copy of anything. It's a catch 22. You don't really know unless you open the box and look, and then it's no longer "sealed." I don't have any sealed copies of games, but I do have some very good condition open box games, which at least I'm able to verify the contents.

I would buy a sealed copy of a game if the price was right, and probably leave it sealed. Otherwise I prefer to use stuff, while still taking very good care of it to keep it in very good condition.

Reply 26 of 61, by Einherje

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gerry wrote on 2022-01-11, 09:01:

A sealed box may not always be 'new' - it could be resealed but then you wouldn't know without opening it!

My head just exploded. I never considered the possibility of fraudulent resealing!

WolverineDK wrote on 2022-01-11, 23:27:

Cause I am a PC games/video game player. Not a collector.

My sentiment exactly, so I've decided to open it.

Reply 27 of 61, by Einherje

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DaveJustDave wrote on 2022-01-10, 17:30:

I'm curious... which David Eddings novel does it come with?

"The Diamond Throne" apparently, but the joke's clearly on me:

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Reply 29 of 61, by dr_st

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Einherje wrote on 2022-01-14, 10:27:

Stats! Stats all over the place! <3

Oh yeah, this is why I love the Heroes 1&2 creature stats cards that came with the original boxed versions (and the Compendium):
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(the same stats were also included in the manual, of course)

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Reply 30 of 61, by Meatball

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There's nothing like a 5lbs. of paperwork... Old software/games are great.

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Reply 31 of 61, by BitWrangler

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In the mid noughties there was a lot of complaining about game stores which had become a big thing, getting resealing machines and resealing just about everything they took in trade that looked halfway decent and putting it on their shelves as if new or priced so close to it that you couldn't be sure. So there could be a lot of re-seals booting around from that era, even if they were older games at the time of resealing. Then post the 08 crash, there was a lot of preplayed resealed stock turning up in discount and clearance stores. The shelf labeling might have said pre-played, and some of them might have had an externally applied label saying preplayed, but they may have been peelable, so again may be around in a state that leaves status questionable.

It's all very well saying it's real easy to tell the difference when you've got a really new one and a reseal side by side, but for most people that's not gonna happen.

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Reply 32 of 61, by Meatball

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BitWrangler wrote on 2022-01-14, 15:01:

In the mid noughties there was a lot of complaining about game stores which had become a big thing, getting resealing machines and resealing just about everything they took in trade that looked halfway decent and putting it on their shelves as if new or priced so close to it that you couldn't be sure. So there could be a lot of re-seals booting around from that era, even if they were older games at the time of resealing. Then post the 08 crash, there was a lot of preplayed resealed stock turning up in discount and clearance stores. The shelf labeling might have said pre-played, and some of them might have had an externally applied label saying preplayed, but they may have been peelable, so again may be around in a state that leaves status questionable.

It's all very well saying it's real easy to tell the difference when you've got a really new one and a reseal side by side, but for most people that's not gonna happen.

If your point is most people aren't going to take the time to determine whether they will be taken advantage of, then yes, I agree. Otherwise, it takes less than 5 minutes comparing several sealed/unsealed copies on eBay to see if any tomfoolery is afoot (combined with quick searches on the Internet, if even necessary).

If you're referring to the individuals who are willing to spend $1000+ on a sealed box of Half-Life 2 big box, this market is even smaller, and I expect those people are experts in what they are looking for.

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Reply 33 of 61, by blurks

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I usually don't open sealed boxes of software/hardware but on rare occassions I do - it depends on the condition of the box. Shrinkwrap has the annoying tendency to shrink (haha) and to damage the box especially around the corners and at the bottom and top portion. I don't have that many sealed games anymore (~ 10-15) but a lot of office software boxes which are still sealed (~ 50) which I check once a year. If a box shows signs of damage I just remove the shrinkwrap as an immaculate condition of the box is more important than a bad one covered in stupid foil.

Reply 34 of 61, by Meatball

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blurks wrote on 2022-01-14, 16:36:

If a box shows signs of damage I just remove the shrinkwrap as an immaculate condition of the box is more important than a bad one covered in stupid foil.

I could not agree more. I have done this myself a few times.

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Reply 35 of 61, by Unknown_K

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Meatball wrote on 2022-01-14, 14:46:

There's nothing like a 5lbs. of paperwork... Old software/games are great.

Same goes for old applications where the manuals are actually more useful.

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Reply 36 of 61, by Einherje

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dr_st wrote on 2022-01-14, 11:27:

Oh yeah, this is why I love the Heroes 1&2 creature stats cards that came with the original boxed versions (and the Compendium):

I see you're a man of culture as well.

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Reply 37 of 61, by Einherje

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Unknown_K wrote on 2022-01-14, 18:26:
Meatball wrote on 2022-01-14, 14:46:

There's nothing like a 5lbs. of paperwork... Old software/games are great.

Same goes for old applications where the manuals are actually more useful.

More useful than the software or more useful than manuals are today?

Reply 38 of 61, by Einherje

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WolverineDK wrote on 2022-01-11, 23:27:

I seem to remember that I mentioned in another thread, what if Heritage Auctions and what not of bad stuff(and mentioning Karl Jobst), happened with our little niche/hobby.

Just watched the first video in your links. I had heard about the debacle from Neil Thomas' and John Shawler's "This Week in Retro" podcast, which I highly recommend by the way. I didn't realize the extend of this scandal though. Despicable.