H3nrik V! wrote on 2023-11-25, 09:22:

Trashbytes wrote on 2023-11-25, 08:56:

Im not sure but Im guessing DDR2 and PCIe are allowed ?

I assume that as well. Really considering digging up an lga775 board for that 🤣

Nods, with no restrictions on the OS ..the sky is the limit so long as it'll run on LGA 775 that supports Pentium 4 which is pretty dang flexible.

I wonder if a 4090 will function with a Pentium 4 hmmmm. (new nvidia drivers dont need SSE to install so in theory .. yes it should)

Though I feel that there should be a limit on the OS to nothing after Vista which locks us to DX10 level hardware though Im pretty sure lack of SSE beyond SSE3 already does limit things. (Windows 10 64bit will run on the later model 65nm Pentium 4 CPUs, earlier models are missing two 64bit instructions required)

Ok so now im thinking I should throw my 4090 on a P4 running Win 10 and Overclocked to 4+Ghz just to see how it performs 🤣

Yay, I have the lead now (and hopefully a couple of hours 🤣) on Prescott 478/AGP.

H3nrik V! wrote on 2023-11-25, 11:27:

Yay, I have the lead now (and hopefully a couple of hours 🤣) on Prescott 478/AGP.

Ah yes Presshot, goes like a Ferrari but has all the torque of a 90 year old man.

Trashbytes wrote on 2023-11-25, 11:30:

H3nrik V! wrote on 2023-11-25, 11:27:

Yay, I have the lead now (and hopefully a couple of hours 🤣) on Prescott 478/AGP.

Ah yes Presshot, goes like a Ferrari but has all the torque of a 90 year old man.

Smithfield has entered the chat

PcBytes wrote on 2023-11-25, 11:53:

Trashbytes wrote on 2023-11-25, 11:30:

H3nrik V! wrote on 2023-11-25, 11:27:

Yay, I have the lead now (and hopefully a couple of hours 🤣) on Prescott 478/AGP.

Ah yes Presshot, goes like a Ferrari but has all the torque of a 90 year old man.

Smithfield has entered the chat

Well Smithfield is simply two Presshot 1m dies glued to the same substrate ... misery does love company.

Bulldozer quietly lurks in a dark corner sipping drinks with Piledriver
FX 9590 pretends to not exist while laughing maniacally at Smithfield

I think its highly amusing that AMD did with Bulldozer what Intel did with Presshot ...do tech companies not learn from each others mistakes ?

supercordo wrote on 2023-11-25, 01:26:

acl wrote on 2023-11-25, 00:49:

Introducing a new socket : Socket 604 […]
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Introducing a new socket : Socket 604

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• Tyan Tiger i7505 (S2668) (specs here)
• Dual Xeon Gallatin 3.2Ghz/533/1MB Socket 604 1c/2t (specs here)
• 4x 512 DDR400 Corsair XMS (Running at DDR266 2/3/3/5)
• GeForce 7900GS AGP (oc @550/800 (from 450/660))
• XP SP3 / nVidia 175.19

• 3DMark 2001SE = 22766
• 3DMark 2000 = Can't start

StockCPU-7900GS-550-800-tweakedMem.png

The CPUs can't be overclocked on this motherboard. The bios offers no options, the ICS 932S203 seems not supported by any tool (ClockGen, SetFsb). The datasheet show no clue about supporting anything appart from 100 / 133 frequencies. Too bad, the x24 CPU multiplier should have helped a lot 😁
I could only tweak the DDR memory timings and overclock the GPU.

@supercordo : Without CPU overclock, not sure this system would qualify.

Ill make an exception for the dual Socket 604 builds. A lot of people are building them. You did overclock the video card. I wonder if its possible to put a different ICS chip on there?

Awesome. Thanks !

If I can suggest something about the rules (of course it's your thread, your challenge and your rules).
I believe that system that are not overclockable should be allowed as long as the owner tried his best to squeeze the highest performance out of it.
For example by picking good memory, tuning timings, picking the correct GPU/driver/os/settings combo. Some kind of "gentlemen's agreement" about trying his's best.

But again it's just a suggestion and I'm really enjoying taking my rarely used systems out of the storage for this thread.

supercordo wrote:

I wonder if its possible to put a different ICS chip on there?

I think I would be capable of physically swapping a clock chip using my hot air station (even if I never tried that on large ICs). But I'm more concerned about the compatibility. This clock gen seems specifically designed for multi CPU systems. With multiple CPU clock channels. And I would have to find a similar clock gen. I also have doubts about the software compatibility because there is an integrated SMBus serial interface used to configure and read things on the clock gen and the values/registers and protocol might not be compatible.
According to the datasheet there should be a way to use an external freq generator by configuring FS0 to 1 and FS1 to mid voltage. The clock chip would just apply the correct dividers on an externally provided frequency. But this is even harder than just swapping the chip as you must only disconnect some leads and leave the other connected. I'm not confident enough in my skills to try this 😁

acl wrote on 2023-11-25, 14:34:

Awesome. Thanks ! […]
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supercordo wrote on 2023-11-25, 01:26:

acl wrote on 2023-11-25, 00:49:

Introducing a new socket : Socket 604 […]
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Introducing a new socket : Socket 604

IMG_20231125_004356.jpg

• Tyan Tiger i7505 (S2668) (specs here)
• Dual Xeon Gallatin 3.2Ghz/533/1MB Socket 604 1c/2t (specs here)
• 4x 512 DDR400 Corsair XMS (Running at DDR266 2/3/3/5)
• GeForce 7900GS AGP (oc @550/800 (from 450/660))
• XP SP3 / nVidia 175.19

• 3DMark 2001SE = 22766
• 3DMark 2000 = Can't start

StockCPU-7900GS-550-800-tweakedMem.png

The CPUs can't be overclocked on this motherboard. The bios offers no options, the ICS 932S203 seems not supported by any tool (ClockGen, SetFsb). The datasheet show no clue about supporting anything appart from 100 / 133 frequencies. Too bad, the x24 CPU multiplier should have helped a lot 😁
I could only tweak the DDR memory timings and overclock the GPU.

@supercordo : Without CPU overclock, not sure this system would qualify.

Ill make an exception for the dual Socket 604 builds. A lot of people are building them. You did overclock the video card. I wonder if its possible to put a different ICS chip on there?

Awesome. Thanks !

If I can suggest something about the rules (of course it's your thread, your challenge and your rules).
I believe that system that are not overclockable should be allowed as long as the owner tried his best to squeeze the highest performance out of it.
For example by picking good memory, tuning timings, picking the correct GPU/driver/os/settings combo. Some kind of "gentlemen's agreement" about trying his's best.

But again it's just a suggestion and I'm really enjoying taking my rarely used systems out of the storage for this thread.

supercordo wrote:

I wonder if its possible to put a different ICS chip on there?

I think I would be capable of physically swapping a clock chip using my hot air station (even if I never tried that on large ICs). But I'm more concerned about the compatibility. This clock gen seems specifically designed for multi CPU systems. With multiple CPU clock channels. And I would have to find a similar clock gen. I also have doubts about the software compatibility because there is an integrated SMBus serial interface used to configure and read things on the clock gen and the values/registers and protocol might not be compatible.
According to the datasheet there should be a way to use an external freq generator by configuring FS0 to 1 and FS1 to mid voltage. The clock chip would just apply the correct dividers on an externally provided frequency. But this is even harder than just swapping the chip as you must only disconnect some leads and leave the other connected. I'm not confident enough in my skills to try this 😁

Ill look at it case by case then. I dont wanna sit here and just add scores to the bottom of the list. I added to the rules to only add scores you are actually proud of.

H3nrik V! wrote on 2023-11-25, 11:27:

Yay, I have the lead now (and hopefully a couple of hours 🤣) on Prescott 478/AGP.

That Quadro is holding you back now.

supercordo wrote on 2023-11-25, 16:06:

H3nrik V! wrote on 2023-11-25, 11:27:

Yay, I have the lead now (and hopefully a couple of hours 🤣) on Prescott 478/AGP.

That Quadro is holding you back now.

Then there's no other option for me than go lga/pci-e

supercordo wrote on 2023-11-24, 15:42:

Yeah 3dmark2000 really likes windows 98se with only DX7 installed from my experiences. Nice scores for a lazy OC.

Indeed DX7 must be the culprit. I tried benchmarking on my Thinkpad A31p running Windows ME, but also with DX9.0C. Once again, the 3DMark01 score was higher than 3DMark00. The scores (attached) are nothing to write home about. It's a Mobile Pentium 4-M Northwood @2.0GHz with Mobility FireGL 7800 (like Mobility Radeon 7500 but with 64MB of RAM). I turned off Speedstep for the screenshot, otherwise the CPU runs at the 12x multiplier (1.2GHz).

Last go on socket 478.

Getting the GigaByte GA-EP45-UD3LR and a Pentium 4 630 ready

H3nrik V! wrote on 2023-11-25, 21:51:

Last go on socket 478.

Getting the GigaByte GA-EP45-UD3LR and a Pentium 4 630 ready

Updated. Nice OC.

It's almost getting too easy using 775 and pci-e.

Initial run with P4 630 (2MiB Prescott, 3.0 GHz), 8 GiB memory, which I haven't even looked closer at yet and GTX285, gave 19xxx in 3DMark2001. Didn't bother to take a screenshot since it won't be counting anyways 🤣

See H3nrik V!. The Quadro is holding you back a lot, I would say. This motherboard is maxed out at 255FSB. I do have a Prescott 3.0/1M/533 chip i could try for some high cpu clocks next. It has a 23x multiplier.

Yeah, I know the Quadro was my bottleneck, but the fastest AGP card I have. But moving to LGA775 and PCI-e opens up sooooo many possibilities. I may even try my gtx770 from my daily driver or the 1060 6GiB from the kid's gaming rig 🤣

I think newer cards require a UEFI bios.

supercordo wrote on 2023-11-25, 23:56:

I think newer cards require a UEFI bios.

Not quite, IIRC 600 and 700 series worked fine on older Award BIOS. I remember running a 750Ti on a EP45T-DS3R w/ Q9400 as my daily driver until mid to late 2020.

PcBytes wrote on 2023-11-26, 00:03:

supercordo wrote on 2023-11-25, 23:56:

I think newer cards require a UEFI bios.

Not quite, IIRC 600 and 700 series worked fine on older Award BIOS. I remember running a 750Ti on a EP45T-DS3R w/ Q9400 as my daily driver until mid to late 2020.

I consider anything before the 10 series cards to be old.

Causally dropping this in after not yet submitting a score...

Asrock 4CoreDual-SataII, Pentium D 945 @ 210x17 (3570MHz). ATI FireGL V5100 (X800 GTO equivalent) PCIe. XP SP3.

CPU will go higher yet and I've not done any tweaks or overclocking to the GPU at all.

And now at 3.9GHz (230*17). Need a VID pin mod to go higher, just waiting on conductive paint.