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First post, by psaez

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I'm installing windows 95 OSR21 on this machine:

- Tualatin 1400S
- DFI CA64-TC
- 512 RAM
- Gforce 4 MX 440

I found the next issues on Windows 95:

1. After installing DirectX 8.0 it gives me this error: "DirectX Requires DCOM". Is this important? will it generate problems in the future?
2. After installing 45.23 drivers for NVIDIA, I can see a new tab in screen properties, it's a dedicated tab for NVIDIA. When I press on it, the OS gives an error, and I need to reboot to be able to access the screen properties menu again. Maybe should I download another older version of the drivers? Which one?
3. 7-zip 9.20 doesn't integrate correctly with the OS. It doesn't allow to associate .zip files with 7-zip, and if I open 7-zip program, the application is not working correctly, can't do anything with it. Which version works correctly with W95?
4. Which version of GPUZ CPUZ and PRIME95 do work with windows 95? I downloaded old versions of those programas and none of them do work with W95.
5. 3dmark 2001 requires directx 8.1, which is the newest directx version that doesn't give errors on windows 95?
6. I'm using the integrated sound card on the motherboard, and I don't have SFX or MUSIC on a lot of games, like for example DUKE NUKEM 3D. I seems that they are not compatible with the integrated sound card. How can I make sound work in the old games?

Can you help me solving these issues?

Reply 1 of 18, by kotel

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Maybe you could try to replace GPUZ, CPUZ, PRIME95 with HWinfo? It works on 98SE so it should work for 95 too, I think.

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Reply 2 of 18, by auron

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i don't know if this is the cause of your issues, but i believe win95 has problems by default when running on a CPU that fast. are you using a fix for that? maybe the 512 megs of RAM could also be problematic, which you could try limiting by increasing VCACHE size i suppose.

the default suggestion would be to just install 98se instead.

Reply 3 of 18, by Jo22

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Just install Windows 98SE.. It's like Windows 95 with all the patches and better drivers. 😃👍
98Lite can bring old Windows Explorer back, it uses files from pre-OSR25 Windows 95.

That being said, DCOM and other updates for Windows 95 can be found online.
DCOM was being bundled with older MS Software, I think. Visual Studio 6 or Office XP, I vaguely remember?

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Reply 4 of 18, by fosterwj03

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You can get the DCOM setup from within the full IE 5.x installation package. It will install with IE 5, but you can also install it separately.

Reply 5 of 18, by fosterwj03

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As for the Nvidia drivers, the last versions that operate properly is a version in the 30s to my knowledge. The versions in the 40s require Windows 98 to work properly.

I can't tell you which version is needed for Windows 95 because I don't have any Nvidia cards that work with older drivers and Windows 95. I use a Radeon 9600 TX for my overkill Windows 95 build.

Reply 6 of 18, by Standard Def Steve

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psaez wrote on 2024-06-20, 10:35:

2. After installing 45.23 drivers for NVIDIA, I can see a new tab in screen properties, it's a dedicated tab for NVIDIA. When I press on it, the OS gives an error, and I need to reboot to be able to access the screen properties menu again. Maybe should I download another older version of the drivers? Which one?

Remember how some of the older Nvidia drivers would say something like "Pentium III with SSE" and display a spinning Nvidia logo in the control panel? So my guess is the 3D driver is probably attempting to use SSE to draw that animation, which Win95 definitely does not support. A Tualatin/GeForce rig really is best suited for Win98SE onwards, as others have alluded to. An older driver may work, but Windows 95 will still crash and burn whenever anything else attempts to use or merely check for the presence of SSE.

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Reply 7 of 18, by GemCookie

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psaez wrote on 2024-06-20, 10:35:

1. After installing DirectX 8.0 it gives me this error: "DirectX Requires DCOM". Is this important? will it generate problems in the future?

Indeed, DCOM95 is an useful update - it's required to run RetroZilla, for instance. Even Windows 98 FE has a separate package.

2. After installing 45.23 drivers for NVIDIA, I can see a new tab in screen properties, it's a dedicated tab for NVIDIA. When I press on it, the OS gives an error, and I need to reboot to be able to access the screen properties menu again. Maybe should I download another older version of the drivers? Which one?

This also happens on my K6-2 and Pentium III systems. Detonator 30.82 should work.

3. 7-zip 9.20 doesn't integrate correctly with the OS. It doesn't allow to associate .zip files with 7-zip, and if I open 7-zip program, the application is not working correctly, can't do anything with it. Which version works correctly with W95?

7-Zip 9.20 requires updated versions of the Visual C++ runtime (msvcrt.dll) and the common controls library (comctl32.dll). Sadly, the required version of the latter file was only distributed with IE 5.

4. Which version of GPUZ CPUZ and PRIME95 do work with windows 95? I downloaded old versions of those programas and none of them do work with W95.

CPU-Z Vintage Edition and Prime95 24.14 work on Windows 95.

5. 3dmark 2001 requires directx 8.1, which is the newest directx version that doesn't give errors on windows 95?

DirectX 8.0a supports Windows 95.

6. I'm using the integrated sound card on the motherboard, and I don't have SFX or MUSIC on a lot of games, like for example DUKE NUKEM 3D. I seems that they are not compatible with the integrated sound card. How can I make sound work in the old games?

Install a compatible sound card or use SBEMU.

Standard Def Steve wrote on 2024-06-21, 18:40:

Remember how some of the older Nvidia drivers would say something like "Pentium III with SSE" and display a spinning Nvidia logo in the control panel? So my guess is the 3D driver is probably attempting to use SSE to draw that animation, which Win95 definitely does not support.

I just installed Detonator 45.23 on my Pentium III system with Windows 95. The Control Panel entry crashes even if SSE instructions are enabled with Falcosoft's SSE utility. The issue clearly has nothing to do with SSE - the driver is just broken. By the time it came out, Nvidia had shifted their efforts to Windows NT.

A Tualatin/GeForce rig really is best suited for Win98SE onwards, as others have alluded to.

Any application that doesn't run on Windows 95 will be better off on Windows 2000.

An older driver may work, but Windows 95 will still crash and burn whenever anything else attempts to use or merely check for the presence of SSE.

Programs check for SSE support by running the cpuid instruction and looking at specific flags. HWiNFO does this, yet manages not to "crash and burn" on Windows 95.

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Reply 8 of 18, by psaez

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GemCookie wrote on 2024-06-24, 14:14:
Indeed, DCOM95 is an useful update - it's required to run RetroZilla, for instance. Even Windows 98 FE has a separate package. […]
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psaez wrote on 2024-06-20, 10:35:

1. After installing DirectX 8.0 it gives me this error: "DirectX Requires DCOM". Is this important? will it generate problems in the future?

Indeed, DCOM95 is an useful update - it's required to run RetroZilla, for instance. Even Windows 98 FE has a separate package.

2. After installing 45.23 drivers for NVIDIA, I can see a new tab in screen properties, it's a dedicated tab for NVIDIA. When I press on it, the OS gives an error, and I need to reboot to be able to access the screen properties menu again. Maybe should I download another older version of the drivers? Which one?

This also happens on my K6-2 and Pentium III systems. Detonator 30.82 should work.

3. 7-zip 9.20 doesn't integrate correctly with the OS. It doesn't allow to associate .zip files with 7-zip, and if I open 7-zip program, the application is not working correctly, can't do anything with it. Which version works correctly with W95?

7-Zip 9.20 requires updated versions of the Visual C++ runtime (msvcrt.dll) and the common controls library (comctl32.dll). Sadly, the required version of the latter file was only distributed with IE 5.

4. Which version of GPUZ CPUZ and PRIME95 do work with windows 95? I downloaded old versions of those programas and none of them do work with W95.

CPU-Z Vintage Edition and Prime95 24.14 work on Windows 95.

5. 3dmark 2001 requires directx 8.1, which is the newest directx version that doesn't give errors on windows 95?

DirectX 8.0a supports Windows 95.

6. I'm using the integrated sound card on the motherboard, and I don't have SFX or MUSIC on a lot of games, like for example DUKE NUKEM 3D. I seems that they are not compatible with the integrated sound card. How can I make sound work in the old games?

Install a compatible sound card or use SBEMU.

Standard Def Steve wrote on 2024-06-21, 18:40:

Remember how some of the older Nvidia drivers would say something like "Pentium III with SSE" and display a spinning Nvidia logo in the control panel? So my guess is the 3D driver is probably attempting to use SSE to draw that animation, which Win95 definitely does not support.

I just installed Detonator 45.23 on my Pentium III system with Windows 95. The Control Panel entry crashes even if SSE instructions are enabled with Falcosoft's SSE utility. The issue clearly has nothing to do with SSE - the driver is just broken. By the time it came out, Nvidia had shifted their efforts to Windows NT.

A Tualatin/GeForce rig really is best suited for Win98SE onwards, as others have alluded to.

Any application that doesn't run on Windows 95 will be better off on Windows 2000.

An older driver may work, but Windows 95 will still crash and burn whenever anything else attempts to use or merely check for the presence of SSE.

Programs check for SSE support by running the cpuid instruction and looking at specific flags. HWiNFO does this, yet manages not to "crash and burn" on Windows 95.

Hi

Where can I see how to install SBEMU and make it work on windows 95?

Where can i download Prime95 24.14? can't find it

Detonator 30.82 drivers doesn't support Gforce 4 mx 440

Reply 9 of 18, by GemCookie

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psaez wrote on 2024-06-25, 19:51:

Hi

Where can I see how to install SBEMU and make it work on windows 95?

My bad, the link was broken. Check this thread.
That said, SBEMU won't work on Windows 95 unless it's running in MS-DOS mode. It requires a non-standard memory manager that makes the OS throw a fit.

psaez wrote:

Where can i download Prime95 24.14? can't find it

It's available on this page. Choose the HTTP download link, as for whatever reason, the Wayback Machine never archived a single FTP page.

psaez wrote:

Detonator 30.82 drivers doesn't support Gforce 4 mx 440

That's strange. I just checked and these drivers do, in fact, have an entry for the GeForce4 MX 440. Try installing hte driver manually – open the Control Panel and select Display > Settings > Advanced Properties > Change. Click on Have Disk... and specify the directory with the unpacked drriver files. After that, the video card shoudl be available to select from the drop-down menu.

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Reply 10 of 18, by Joseph_Joestar

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GemCookie wrote on 2024-06-26, 08:23:

That's strange. I just checked and these drivers do, in fact, have an entry for the GeForce4 MX 440. Try installing hte driver manually – open the Control Panel and select Display > Settings > Advanced Properties > Change. Click on Have Disk... and specify the directory with the unpacked drriver files. After that, the video card shoudl be available to select from the drop-down menu.

Older AGP 4x GeForce 4 Ti and MX cards are compatible with 30.82 drivers. However, the newer AGP 8x models are not.

I'm guessing OP has the AGP 8x model.

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Reply 11 of 18, by GemCookie

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Joseph_Joestar wrote on 2024-06-26, 08:55:

Older AGP 4x GeForce 4 Ti and MX cards are compatible with 30.82 drivers. However, the newer AGP 8x models are not.

I'm guessing OP has the AGP 8x model.

Hmm, I never thought about that.
It might be possible to get these cards working by adding the appropriate entry to the .INF file. That's what I did to use a Quadro FX 2700M on Windows 2000, and it works great.

Update: Sure enough, OP revealed that this is the AGP 8× model in another post.

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Reply 12 of 18, by psaez

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GemCookie wrote on 2024-06-26, 08:23:
My bad, the link was broken. Check this thread. That said, SBEMU won't work on Windows 95 unless it's running in MS-DOS mode. It […]
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psaez wrote on 2024-06-25, 19:51:

Hi

Where can I see how to install SBEMU and make it work on windows 95?

My bad, the link was broken. Check this thread.
That said, SBEMU won't work on Windows 95 unless it's running in MS-DOS mode. It requires a non-standard memory manager that makes the OS throw a fit.

psaez wrote:

Where can i download Prime95 24.14? can't find it

It's available on this page. Choose the HTTP download link, as for whatever reason, the Wayback Machine never archived a single FTP page.

psaez wrote:

Detonator 30.82 drivers doesn't support Gforce 4 mx 440

That's strange. I just checked and these drivers do, in fact, have an entry for the GeForce4 MX 440. Try installing hte driver manually – open the Control Panel and select Display > Settings > Advanced Properties > Change. Click on Have Disk... and specify the directory with the unpacked drriver files. After that, the video card shoudl be available to select from the drop-down menu.

Then, under W95 is not possible to use SBEMU to play games that requires sound blaster? but is it possible under W98? how?

On the other hand, if 7zip 9.20 is not compatible with windows 95, which version does? or which software do I need to install to unzip and zip?

Thanks

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psaez wrote on 2024-06-26, 13:50:

Then, under W95 is not possible to use SBEMU to play games that requires sound blaster? but is it possible under W98? how?

Windows 98 won't work either.

On the other hand, if 7zip 9.20 is not compatible with windows 95, which version does? or which software do I need to install to unzip and zip?

Thanks

7-Zip is compatible, it just needs the two updated DLLs I mentioned.

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Reply 14 of 18, by leonardo

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psaez wrote on 2024-06-20, 10:35:
I'm installing windows 95 OSR21 on this machine: […]
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I'm installing windows 95 OSR21 on this machine:

- Tualatin 1400S
- DFI CA64-TC
- 512 RAM
- Gforce 4 MX 440

I found the next issues on Windows 95:

1. After installing DirectX 8.0 it gives me this error: "DirectX Requires DCOM". Is this important? will it generate problems in the future?
2. After installing 45.23 drivers for NVIDIA, I can see a new tab in screen properties, it's a dedicated tab for NVIDIA. When I press on it, the OS gives an error, and I need to reboot to be able to access the screen properties menu again. Maybe should I download another older version of the drivers? Which one?
3. 7-zip 9.20 doesn't integrate correctly with the OS. It doesn't allow to associate .zip files with 7-zip, and if I open 7-zip program, the application is not working correctly, can't do anything with it. Which version works correctly with W95?
4. Which version of GPUZ CPUZ and PRIME95 do work with windows 95? I downloaded old versions of those programas and none of them do work with W95.
5. 3dmark 2001 requires directx 8.1, which is the newest directx version that doesn't give errors on windows 95?
6. I'm using the integrated sound card on the motherboard, and I don't have SFX or MUSIC on a lot of games, like for example DUKE NUKEM 3D. I seems that they are not compatible with the integrated sound card. How can I make sound work in the old games?

Can you help me solving these issues?

If you seriously want Windows 95 of this rig instead of Windows 98, I would recommend that you follow my guide on how to set this up.

  1. DCOM does have to be installed for DX8, but you don't need to install Internet Explorer in order to get the DCOM update.
  2. You're probably missing the Common Controls update, or something else that is a dependency for the control panel. These later nVidia driver packages became unwieldy monsters so unless you specifically need/want this driver, it's better to go with the older ones. I use 21.xx with my GF3. If you follow the guide I shared, all of these prerequisite updates are included prior to the driver-installation.
  3. Sounds like another dependency issue. 7-Zip works fine on my system, but you do have to go into preferences and toggle which file-types you want to associate with it for the shell-integration to work.
  4. Don't recall off the top of my head, but can dig into it.
  5. Windows 95 tops out at DirectX 8.0a - so if you're looking to play or benchmark games that require DX 8.1 or later, like WarCraft III, you have to go with Win98.
  6. I recommend a discreet sound card for a system like this, the common AC97-compatible integrated cards from this era had pretty poor or finicky SoundBlaster-compatibility. Any PCI card from the era such as SoundBlaster Live!, Aureal Vortex, etc. offer sufficient SB-emulation, while a purist will opt for an ISA card. The ESS1869-based cards for example are great compatible cards that don't cost an arm and a leg and offer a nice retro-synth and compatibility with most games.

As an additional tip, for Win95 (and probably Win98 too) you probably want to reduce the amount of RAM to 256 or 384 megabytes from 512. Any RAM over 256 megabytes is usually completely moot on Win9x, but can cause compatibility issues.

[Install Win95 like you were born in 1985!] on systems like this or this.

Reply 15 of 18, by psaez

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leonardo wrote on 2024-06-27, 10:43:
As an additional tip, for Win95 (and probably Win98 too) you probably want to reduce the amount of RAM to 256 or 384 megabytes f […]
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  1. DCOM does have to be installed for DX8, but you don't need to install Internet Explorer in order to get the DCOM update.
  2. You're probably missing the Common Controls update, or something else that is a dependency for the control panel. These later nVidia driver packages became unwieldy monsters so unless you specifically need/want this driver, it's better to go with the older ones. I use 21.xx with my GF3. If you follow the guide I shared, all of these prerequisite updates are included prior to the driver-installation.
  3. Sounds like another dependency issue. 7-Zip works fine on my system, but you do have to go into preferences and toggle which file-types you want to associate with it for the shell-integration to work.
  4. Don't recall off the top of my head, but can dig into it.
  5. Windows 95 tops out at DirectX 8.0a - so if you're looking to play or benchmark games that require DX 8.1 or later, like WarCraft III, you have to go with Win98.
  6. I recommend a discreet sound card for a system like this, the common AC97-compatible integrated cards from this era had pretty poor or finicky SoundBlaster-compatibility. Any PCI card from the era such as SoundBlaster Live!, Aureal Vortex, etc. offer sufficient SB-emulation, while a purist will opt for an ISA card. The ESS1869-based cards for example are great compatible cards that don't cost an arm and a leg and offer a nice retro-synth and compatibility with most games.

As an additional tip, for Win95 (and probably Win98 too) you probably want to reduce the amount of RAM to 256 or 384 megabytes from 512. Any RAM over 256 megabytes is usually completely moot on Win9x, but can cause compatibility issues.

Hi I'm following your guide since the begining, but I found some issues, related with my hardware I think, and that I'm using spanish version of the OS and can't install your service pack because it breaks my OS cause the language difference.

Please, can you tell me where can I download DCOM and Common Controls update?

GemCookie wrote on 2024-06-27, 10:06:

7-Zip is compatible, it just needs the two updated DLLs I mentioned.

where can I get msvcrt.dll and comctl32.dll and where should I place them? Is enough with placing them on folder C:/WINDOWS/SYSTEM ?

Reply 16 of 18, by leonardo

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psaez wrote on 2024-06-27, 14:57:
leonardo wrote on 2024-06-27, 10:43:
As an additional tip, for Win95 (and probably Win98 too) you probably want to reduce the amount of RAM to 256 or 384 megabytes f […]
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  1. DCOM does have to be installed for DX8, but you don't need to install Internet Explorer in order to get the DCOM update.
  2. You're probably missing the Common Controls update, or something else that is a dependency for the control panel. These later nVidia driver packages became unwieldy monsters so unless you specifically need/want this driver, it's better to go with the older ones. I use 21.xx with my GF3. If you follow the guide I shared, all of these prerequisite updates are included prior to the driver-installation.
  3. Sounds like another dependency issue. 7-Zip works fine on my system, but you do have to go into preferences and toggle which file-types you want to associate with it for the shell-integration to work.
  4. Don't recall off the top of my head, but can dig into it.
  5. Windows 95 tops out at DirectX 8.0a - so if you're looking to play or benchmark games that require DX 8.1 or later, like WarCraft III, you have to go with Win98.
  6. I recommend a discreet sound card for a system like this, the common AC97-compatible integrated cards from this era had pretty poor or finicky SoundBlaster-compatibility. Any PCI card from the era such as SoundBlaster Live!, Aureal Vortex, etc. offer sufficient SB-emulation, while a purist will opt for an ISA card. The ESS1869-based cards for example are great compatible cards that don't cost an arm and a leg and offer a nice retro-synth and compatibility with most games.

As an additional tip, for Win95 (and probably Win98 too) you probably want to reduce the amount of RAM to 256 or 384 megabytes from 512. Any RAM over 256 megabytes is usually completely moot on Win9x, but can cause compatibility issues.

Hi I'm following your guide since the begining, but I found some issues, related with my hardware I think, and that I'm using spanish version of the OS and can't install your service pack because it breaks my OS cause the language difference.

Please, can you tell me where can I download DCOM and Common Controls update?

Ah yes - I remember now. You have several threads on this same topic by now, I think. Let me see if I can dig up some of these individual updates in their Spanish language versions. Please note that not all updates were language-specific. Some could be installed on any version of Windows 95, others needed to be installed specifically for the language version that you were using...

[Install Win95 like you were born in 1985!] on systems like this or this.

Reply 17 of 18, by psaez

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GemCookie wrote on 2024-06-27, 10:06:

7-Zip is compatible, it just needs the two updated DLLs I mentioned.

Incredible, it worked after replacing those two DLL with others downloaded from internet

Can I know how you disscovered that these two are the DLL implied in making 7zip working?

Also, maybe do you know which w95 update makes the content of the window visible when you drag it?

leonardo wrote on 2024-06-27, 18:44:

Ah yes - I remember now. You have several threads on this same topic by now, I think. Let me see if I can dig up some of these individual updates in their Spanish language versions. Please note that not all updates were language-specific. Some could be installed on any version of Windows 95, others needed to be installed specifically for the language version that you were using...

Thank you mate, yes, I'm digging a lot too to have a very nice W95 install with my setup, and I'm very near of achieving it. Just some hours ago I posted a question in your W95 guide post, asking if you know which update makes the content of the window visible when you drag it. I like that, it is enabled if I install the unofficial SP that you mentioned in the steps of your guide, but as you know I need to install that update only to avoid broken the OS due to the language differente.

I appreciate a lot your help if you are going to help me getting updates for my spanish version.

Reply 18 of 18, by GemCookie

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psaez wrote on 2024-06-27, 20:41:

Incredible, it worked after replacing those two DLL with others downloaded from internet

Can I know how you disscovered that these two are the DLL implied in making 7zip working?

When 7-Zip 9.20 starts on a clean installation of Windows 95, it displays the message "A required .DLL file, MSVCRT.DLL, was not found."
As for comctl32.dll: I found out it was needed when I saw a different forum post about a similar issue.

I recommend a discreet sound card

Casually hidden behind a case panel. B)

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