In his case, the pins on the BIOS chip have corrosion. That would be the first to deal with, before a flash.

It could also be oxidation.

Today I bought a board named Jaguar.

Ensign Nemo wrote on 2024-07-08, 05:47:

I think the problem with (some) dishwashers is that they reuse water from a previous cycle as a way to conserve water. I.e. if your dishwasher does and you wash electronics in the dishwasher, then a) first your electronics will be washed in water from a previous cycle (not sure of that matters) and b) your next cycle, maybe the plates and cutlery you eat from/with, may be washed with water that might contain pollutants.

Another one would be if any residues or contaminants are left over, even if the dishwasher doesn't reuse water. I've never used a dishwasher that was 100% effective at cleaning everything that I've had on a plate. While the levels wouldn't likely be that high, I'd still be concerned over any long-term health impacts from repeated exposure. If enough people did this sort of thing, it probably wouldn't be great for the local wastewater treatment system either. I don't want to start a flame war or anything, but I thought my original comment was a reasonable health concern. Judging by the size of the average backlog, I think most people here would benefit from a few extra healthy years in their life. (-:

you people need to frigging RELAX.

Do you believe the water coming out of your tap is 100% pure H2O? Spoiler... ITS NOT. Hell, i bet a good number of you still have lead water pipes. yea, lead is toxic, and should be avoided. but an adult is usually capable of handling some, with no ill effects. 100% if you deal with lead on a daily basis, this is a different story. But washing some electronics, once in a blue moon... YOU WILL BE JUST FINE.

for fucks sake, get an old broken down dishwasher on facebook/craigslist for FREE, hook it up to a gfci outlet and a garden hose and do it outside. save the waste water if you care and send it to someone who deals with it.

good lord, some of you people desperately need to go outside and touch grass.

luckybob wrote on 2024-07-08, 21:36:

you people need to frigging RELAX. […]
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Ensign Nemo wrote on 2024-07-08, 05:47:

I think the problem with (some) dishwashers is that they reuse water from a previous cycle as a way to conserve water. I.e. if your dishwasher does and you wash electronics in the dishwasher, then a) first your electronics will be washed in water from a previous cycle (not sure of that matters) and b) your next cycle, maybe the plates and cutlery you eat from/with, may be washed with water that might contain pollutants.

Another one would be if any residues or contaminants are left over, even if the dishwasher doesn't reuse water. I've never used a dishwasher that was 100% effective at cleaning everything that I've had on a plate. While the levels wouldn't likely be that high, I'd still be concerned over any long-term health impacts from repeated exposure. If enough people did this sort of thing, it probably wouldn't be great for the local wastewater treatment system either. I don't want to start a flame war or anything, but I thought my original comment was a reasonable health concern. Judging by the size of the average backlog, I think most people here would benefit from a few extra healthy years in their life. (-:

you people need to frigging RELAX.

Do you believe the water coming out of your tap is 100% pure H2O? Spoiler... ITS NOT. Hell, i bet a good number of you still have lead water pipes. yea, lead is toxic, and should be avoided. but an adult is usually capable of handling some, with no ill effects. 100% if you deal with lead on a daily basis, this is a different story. But washing some electronics, once in a blue moon... YOU WILL BE JUST FINE.

for fucks sake, get an old broken down dishwasher on facebook/craigslist for FREE, hook it up to a gfci outlet and a garden hose and do it outside. save the waste water if you care and send it to someone who deals with it.

good lord, some of you people desperately need to go outside and touch grass.

The grass makes my nose clog up. No.

luckybob wrote on 2024-07-08, 21:36:

you people need to frigging RELAX. […]
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Ensign Nemo wrote on 2024-07-08, 05:47:

I think the problem with (some) dishwashers is that they reuse water from a previous cycle as a way to conserve water. I.e. if your dishwasher does and you wash electronics in the dishwasher, then a) first your electronics will be washed in water from a previous cycle (not sure of that matters) and b) your next cycle, maybe the plates and cutlery you eat from/with, may be washed with water that might contain pollutants.

Another one would be if any residues or contaminants are left over, even if the dishwasher doesn't reuse water. I've never used a dishwasher that was 100% effective at cleaning everything that I've had on a plate. While the levels wouldn't likely be that high, I'd still be concerned over any long-term health impacts from repeated exposure. If enough people did this sort of thing, it probably wouldn't be great for the local wastewater treatment system either. I don't want to start a flame war or anything, but I thought my original comment was a reasonable health concern. Judging by the size of the average backlog, I think most people here would benefit from a few extra healthy years in their life. (-:

you people need to frigging RELAX.

Do you believe the water coming out of your tap is 100% pure H2O? Spoiler... ITS NOT. Hell, i bet a good number of you still have lead water pipes. yea, lead is toxic, and should be avoided. but an adult is usually capable of handling some, with no ill effects. 100% if you deal with lead on a daily basis, this is a different story. But washing some electronics, once in a blue moon... YOU WILL BE JUST FINE.

for fucks sake, get an old broken down dishwasher on facebook/craigslist for FREE, hook it up to a gfci outlet and a garden hose and do it outside. save the waste water if you care and send it to someone who deals with it.

good lord, some of you people desperately need to go outside and touch grass.

This type of attitude is unwarranted and does nothing for this community. I respectfully voiced a safety concern that was only intended to be helpful. There's no need to jump down my throat for it. Moreover, these types of attitudes towards safety are precisely the kind that get people hurt. Maybe you don't care and look down upon people who think differently, but you can disagree with people without resorting to childish insults.

And i'm saying, most of you people are blowing it out of proportion. The notion that if you so much as walk into the same room as lead, you will burst into flames is the rhetoric i want to dissuade.

in conclusion, you stink like a butt, and my dad can beat up your dad.

luckybob wrote on 2024-07-08, 22:28:

in conclusion, you stink like a butt, and my dad can beat up your dad.

I needed a laugh this morning, thankyou bob.

+1 for relaxing, the stress of being told that everything I do is dangerous and I'm raising my kids wrong and I'm wrecking the planet just by existing is killing me faster than anything else.

So yes or no on dish soap?

luckybob wrote on 2024-07-08, 22:28:

And i'm saying, most of you people are blowing it out of proportion. The notion that if you so much as walk into the same room as lead, you will burst into flames is the rhetoric i want to dissuade.

in conclusion, you stink like a butt, and my dad can beat up your dad.

If you want to dissuade those types of concerns, then a better approach would be to address them respectfully. If also seen people raise concerns about lead and solder. If you tell people that the fumes don't even contain lead, you'll do a better job of allaying those fears then insulting them. Maybe I'm idealistic, but I still think that we can treat strangers on the internet cordially.

Ensign Nemo wrote:

I still think that we can treat strangers on the internet cordially.

Oh, you're no fun anymore.

Personally, I wouldn't put anything in the dish washer just because I don't want all the labels and markings blasted into oblivion. I use foaming hand soap and a tooth brush to clean boards when they need it so that I can carefully work around labels, paper stickers, etc. Also, to limit the amount time the board has water all over it (so steel parts don't begin to rust) I tend to blast it with my Datavac before putting it somewhere to dry. It's amazing how much water can get trapped under a bunch of RAM chips for example.

Would I use that toothbrush on my teeth or give it to anyone in my family to use it on theirs? Of course not.

Would I still wash dishes in the sink after washing off a PCB that came out of a scrap pile, possibly (likely) covered in mouse feces and traces of colophane flux ? Well, yeah, I obviously would because I haven't torn out all of the sinks I've ever washed computer parts in... but then I also don't use the "dirty dishes soup" method of washing dishes, and I clean the sink frequently so I don't think there's much chance of cross contamination.

See? That's what I'm talking about. I just made a nice curry beef and rice for dinner. I was looking at the box the curry came in. It came with the state of Cancer to cause California warning about having lead.

Warning labels are great. Not consuming lead is awesome. But at some point you have to live life. Lead is something humanity will have to deal with until the end of time.

Getting things back on track... 😁

I spotted this recently and had to grab it just for the weird factor...

Sound Blaster Easy 16 CT2750

Judging from the limited information and few pictures online, this seems like a fairly uncommon card. It is basically a CT1740 (with DSP v4.11) with a single headphone output and one massive 62-pin connector to run to an external CDROM drive.

It seems to be the Creative equivalent of the Media Vision Memphis.

(Also, yes, I just washed this with foaming hand soap and a toothbrush. It came out gorgeous! Too bad about the missing back plate though... everything I got in this lot was missing it's plate. The seller actually said he was going to include them for me without me asking him initially... then he accidentally sent the plates to the wrong buyer. I'm pretty bummed about that...)

to3cutter wrote on 2024-07-08, 21:21:

Today I bought a board named Jaguar.

Lol, Octek 286 was called Fox - https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/octek-fox-m-286

luckybob wrote on 2024-07-09, 01:33:

See? That's what I'm talking about. I just made a nice curry beef and rice for dinner. I was looking at the box the curry came in. It came with the state of Cancer to cause California warning about having lead.

Warning labels are great. Not consuming lead is awesome. But at some point you have to live life. Lead is something humanity will have to deal with until the end of time.

California is special. Every office I've ever worked at has cancer warnings.

Wow, this thread has gone places overnight.

Yeah - I wonder if those ancient cosmetics came with proper warning labels ?!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venetian_ceruse

AGP4LIfe? wrote on 2024-07-08, 23:01:

So yes or no on dish soap?

I'm using that for years with a soft toothbrush and never broke anything. The PCBs come out as clean as new. Just rince it in clean water once your are done and dry it as good as you can afterwards, especially in the PCI/ISA slots where water can get trapped. Then wait 1-2 days and off you go.

AGP4LIfe? wrote on 2024-07-08, 23:01:

So yes or no on dish soap?

Dish soap you use with your hands is fine.
Dishwashing machine soap is absolutely NOT fine.