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Reply 54281 of 55080, by MikeSG

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MikeSG wrote on 2024-09-11, 08:26:
Many of these Chips & Tech F65545 on Ebay right now. Some under $60 USD. Labelled "advantech pca 6653". […]
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Many of these Chips & Tech F65545 on Ebay right now. Some under $60 USD. Labelled "advantech pca 6653".

I got one because I was curious about the performance and of the third memory IC.

Modern 1998-99 production year. BIOS (Post and setup) is in 640x480 square even on a widescreen LCD.

Advantech still has the drivers and manual: https://www.advantech.com/en-au/search/?q=665 … rt&from=support

Ran some tests. It's not good for DOS games/overclocking...

It's the same as a CL-5429 up to 11Mhz ISA bus. Does not like to go any faster.

Should be fine in windows though. Does hardware bitblt, hardware cursor, etc.

Reply 54282 of 55080, by BitWrangler

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MikeSG wrote on 2024-09-12, 08:25:
Ran some tests. It's not good for DOS games/overclocking... […]
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MikeSG wrote on 2024-09-11, 08:26:
Many of these Chips & Tech F65545 on Ebay right now. Some under $60 USD. Labelled "advantech pca 6653". […]
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Many of these Chips & Tech F65545 on Ebay right now. Some under $60 USD. Labelled "advantech pca 6653".

I got one because I was curious about the performance and of the third memory IC.

Modern 1998-99 production year. BIOS (Post and setup) is in 640x480 square even on a widescreen LCD.

Advantech still has the drivers and manual: https://www.advantech.com/en-au/search/?q=665 … rt&from=support

Ran some tests. It's not good for DOS games/overclocking...

It's the same as a CL-5429 up to 11Mhz ISA bus. Does not like to go any faster.

Should be fine in windows though. Does hardware bitblt, hardware cursor, etc.

Well I'm reading that statement as "Isn't the fastest for games that leverage maximum 2D speed like Doom and Quake, but is fine for everything else." Which is pretty normal for anything you can put in an ISA slot, versus VLB or PCI options.

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Reply 54283 of 55080, by AGP4LIfe?

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Wes1262 wrote on 2024-09-12, 04:57:

YIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSS. YIIIIIIIIIISSSSSS. IT WORKS. THE 295 WORKS. rare stroke of luck. it was sold as faulty.

These are the best feelings 🤣, nothing like getting working equipment listed as dead. 😁 awesome!

I feel like I have the opposite experience way to often. When I buy a "Tested good" or "Used Pulled from working system" item from ebay there is like a 66% chance it doesn't work 😠

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Reply 54284 of 55080, by PcBytes

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After being stung by two dead Banshees (Gainward and 3D Blaster), I went ahead and bought a Medion branded TNT2 Pro. According to the PCB and a website I found, it might unlock into Ultra speeds.

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Reply 54285 of 55080, by Trashbytes

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PcBytes wrote on 2024-09-12, 15:49:
After being stung by two dead Banshees (Gainward and 3D Blaster), I went ahead and bought a Medion branded TNT2 Pro. According t […]
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After being stung by two dead Banshees (Gainward and 3D Blaster), I went ahead and bought a Medion branded TNT2 Pro. According to the PCB and a website I found, it might unlock into Ultra speeds.

file.php?mode=view&id=201127

At least you stand a good chance of repairing a banshee, the TnT2 ...possibly depending on how good you are and have a steady hand and can figure out what broke.

I will say that the TnT2 cards are pretty damn solid cards and I haven't seen too many of them DOA so they do have that going for them and a Pro that can unlock would be a cool card to own.

Reply 54286 of 55080, by PcBytes

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Trashbytes wrote on 2024-09-12, 15:52:
PcBytes wrote on 2024-09-12, 15:49:
After being stung by two dead Banshees (Gainward and 3D Blaster), I went ahead and bought a Medion branded TNT2 Pro. According t […]
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After being stung by two dead Banshees (Gainward and 3D Blaster), I went ahead and bought a Medion branded TNT2 Pro. According to the PCB and a website I found, it might unlock into Ultra speeds.

file.php?mode=view&id=201127

At least you stand a good chance of repairing a banshee, the TnT2 ...possibly depending on how good you are and have a steady hand and can figure out what broke.

I will say that the TnT2 cards are pretty damn solid cards and I haven't seen too many of them DOA so they do have that going for them and a Pro that can unlock would be a cool card to own.

The Banshees are as dead as doornails. The TNT2 just has a dead fan, which I think I have a few spares.

"Enter at your own peril, past the bolted door..."
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Reply 54287 of 55080, by Bancho

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Major Jackyl wrote on 2024-09-11, 19:42:

Oh wow. I've been eye-open for one for a while, too! Looks good, congrats! Any immediate plan for it?

Its going to house my ISA Pentium 4 build. I've started on it tonight. Just need to sort the PSU wiring.

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Reply 54288 of 55080, by Wes1262

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AGP4LIfe? wrote on 2024-09-12, 14:57:
Wes1262 wrote on 2024-09-12, 04:57:

YIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSS. YIIIIIIIIIISSSSSS. IT WORKS. THE 295 WORKS. rare stroke of luck. it was sold as faulty.

These are the best feelings 🤣, nothing like getting working equipment listed as dead. 😁 awesome!

I feel like I have the opposite experience way to often. When I buy a "Tested good" or "Used Pulled from working system" item from ebay there is like a 66% chance it doesn't work 😠

Happens here as well. I think when they list an item as used the sellers know ebay is gonna rip em a new one if it doesn't, so I generally believe them when they say the item worked for them.
But they are dumb because they rarely care to make a good package, not realizing how important it is and it's their fault if it's not good.
They expect that the delivery service is going to be super careful with their packages. They probably never watched fail videos on youtube.
They literally throw the packages to your door. I don't blame them. It's a shitty job, they are always in a rush, they work in horrible conditions.

The other 295 with dual PCB I got recently is basically a brick. It has like 1kg of mass and requires a lot of padding.
If it worked before I don't know, but if you ship it without padding it certainly won't survive the trip.
It arrived with all the PCI bracket bent and had indentations on the shroud near the corners.
One of the PCBs is like a banana now because the shroud keeps it bent that way...

Reply 54289 of 55080, by myne

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PcBytes wrote on 2024-09-12, 16:03:
Trashbytes wrote on 2024-09-12, 15:52:
PcBytes wrote on 2024-09-12, 15:49:
After being stung by two dead Banshees (Gainward and 3D Blaster), I went ahead and bought a Medion branded TNT2 Pro. According t […]
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After being stung by two dead Banshees (Gainward and 3D Blaster), I went ahead and bought a Medion branded TNT2 Pro. According to the PCB and a website I found, it might unlock into Ultra speeds.

file.php?mode=view&id=201127

At least you stand a good chance of repairing a banshee, the TnT2 ...possibly depending on how good you are and have a steady hand and can figure out what broke.

I will say that the TnT2 cards are pretty damn solid cards and I haven't seen too many of them DOA so they do have that going for them and a Pro that can unlock would be a cool card to own.

The Banshees are as dead as doornails. The TNT2 just has a dead fan, which I think I have a few spares.

Many of these old things have been revived.
Bios flash is the starting point.
Then poke around with multimeter looking for resistors/beads that aren't contiguous, and voltages.

Do things at least get warm?

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Dos+Windows 3.11 auto-install iso template (for vmware)
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Reply 54290 of 55080, by PcBytes

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myne wrote on 2024-09-12, 23:53:
Many of these old things have been revived. Bios flash is the starting point. Then poke around with multimeter looking for resis […]
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PcBytes wrote on 2024-09-12, 16:03:
Trashbytes wrote on 2024-09-12, 15:52:

At least you stand a good chance of repairing a banshee, the TnT2 ...possibly depending on how good you are and have a steady hand and can figure out what broke.

I will say that the TnT2 cards are pretty damn solid cards and I haven't seen too many of them DOA so they do have that going for them and a Pro that can unlock would be a cool card to own.

The Banshees are as dead as doornails. The TNT2 just has a dead fan, which I think I have a few spares.

Many of these old things have been revived.
Bios flash is the starting point.
Then poke around with multimeter looking for resistors/beads that aren't contiguous, and voltages.

Do things at least get warm?

They do get warm, but no signs of veing detected by BIOS whatsoever. The card is totally absent from any BIOS listing.
I have thoroughly inspected the board and none of the resistors or beads are broken.

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Reply 54291 of 55080, by myne

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Worth attempting to flash it.
Flash memory degrades over time, it might be blank by now.
My understanding is that the bios itself should still be detectable by the flashing tool though.

Voodoo 1 and 2 don't have a bios. They're simpler than banshee, v3+
There are several vids on yt of v3s being revived with a flash.

https://soggi.org/video-cards/3dfx-voodoo.htm

Things I built:
Mechwarrior 2 installer for Windows 10/11 Re: A comprehensive guide to install and play MechWarrior 2 on new versions on Windows.
Dos+Windows 3.11 auto-install iso template (for vmware)
Script to backup Win9x\ME drivers from a working install

Reply 54292 of 55080, by Trashbytes

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Got another ECS p6s5at today, This one has a small bit of damage to the AGP slot but the board has been tested ...not that I fully believe that. Board will get a full test when it arrives, Tualatin and DDR support makes for a fun little board to OC with.

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I have a PCChips M700 version of this board so itll be good to have a backup for it, they are rather scarce boards.

Reply 54294 of 55080, by acl

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Trashbytes wrote on 2024-09-13, 04:18:

Got another ECS p6s5at today, This one has a small bit of damage to the AGP slot but the board has been tested ...not that I fully believe that. Board will get a full test when it arrives, Tualatin and DDR support makes for a fun little board to OC with.

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I have a PCChips M700 version of this board so itll be good to have a backup for it, they are rather scarce boards.

That's a very unusual placement for IDE/Floppy connectors. Plenty of room around them.

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Reply 54296 of 55080, by PcBytes

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myne wrote on 2024-09-13, 03:06:
Worth attempting to flash it. Flash memory degrades over time, it might be blank by now. My understanding is that the bios itse […]
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Worth attempting to flash it.
Flash memory degrades over time, it might be blank by now.
My understanding is that the bios itself should still be detectable by the flashing tool though.

Voodoo 1 and 2 don't have a bios. They're simpler than banshee, v3+
There are several vids on yt of v3s being revived with a flash.

https://soggi.org/video-cards/3dfx-voodoo.htm

They're not detected by the BIOS at all. Even with a PCI card they do not show up at all during the Award BIOS device listing.

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Reply 54297 of 55080, by myne

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Yes. I understood.

That can happen when the flash is empty.
The flash is where the vendor and device id is stored and reported to the main bios on boot.
No ven/dev =no pnp =no detect

Write down the makings on the chip.
Use a second card for video.
Try the flash program.
See if it detects.
If it does, flash it and see.

What have you got to lose?

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Mechwarrior 2 installer for Windows 10/11 Re: A comprehensive guide to install and play MechWarrior 2 on new versions on Windows.
Dos+Windows 3.11 auto-install iso template (for vmware)
Script to backup Win9x\ME drivers from a working install

Reply 54298 of 55080, by PcBytes

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I'll try it this evening. I have an slightly older board than what I initially used (DFI CS32-TC + VIA C3 800A) that just came in today (MSI K7 Pro + Pluto 700MHz Athlon) and may check if that one works.

EDIT: Tried and none work. Both flash utilities for Creative and Gainward (the latter being just standard 3dfx flash utility) report no Banshee cards present.

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Reply 54299 of 55080, by MikeSG

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BitWrangler wrote on 2024-09-12, 13:44:
MikeSG wrote on 2024-09-12, 08:25:
Ran some tests. It's not good for DOS games/overclocking... […]
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MikeSG wrote on 2024-09-11, 08:26:
Many of these Chips & Tech F65545 on Ebay right now. Some under $60 USD. Labelled "advantech pca 6653". […]
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Many of these Chips & Tech F65545 on Ebay right now. Some under $60 USD. Labelled "advantech pca 6653".

I got one because I was curious about the performance and of the third memory IC.

Modern 1998-99 production year. BIOS (Post and setup) is in 640x480 square even on a widescreen LCD.

Advantech still has the drivers and manual: https://www.advantech.com/en-au/search/?q=665 … rt&from=support

Ran some tests. It's not good for DOS games/overclocking...

It's the same as a CL-5429 up to 11Mhz ISA bus. Does not like to go any faster.

Should be fine in windows though. Does hardware bitblt, hardware cursor, etc.

Well I'm reading that statement as "Isn't the fastest for games that leverage maximum 2D speed like Doom and Quake, but is fine for everything else." Which is pretty normal for anything you can put in an ISA slot, versus VLB or PCI options.

Well there's a up to a 40% difference between 1991 era ISA cards and 1996+ era.

The Chips F65545 is the same as the 1996 era cards, but not as good as the 1996 era cards that can run at 20Mhz ISA bus, and/or the 64-bit ISA cards.

But even at 11mhz ISA, all the 1996 cards can run Duke Nukem and Doom fine.