Slightly undecided yet... half of me wants to go T-Bird + Voodoo 3 3000 with it, the other half wants me to go Palomino 2000+ with Geforce 4 Ti4200.

EDIT: Gonna have to ditch the V3... tried a 2000 AGP and it gets stuck on 25/24 POST codes. The card is functional on other mainboards, so I assume the ABIT simply doesn't like Voodoo cards?

Bought a mini display port to hdmi but as soon as it moves image goes away.
For 5€ I'm not sending it back. Maybe I can do something about it.

BetaC wrote on 2024-09-16, 07:29:

Today's purchase was quite literally small.

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I now finally have a 186. What's even better is it seems to not be one of the explicit microcontroller versions. This also means that I technically have every major generation of Intel x86 Processor in my collection, at least up until the actually useful P4s.

Actually, there were also PGA 186s. It took me a while to find one, though 😀

BetaC wrote on 2024-09-16, 19:33:

Wes1262 wrote on 2024-09-16, 15:32:

BetaC wrote on 2024-09-16, 07:29:

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Love this pic. Would love to do something similar myself one day. What's the names of these CPUs? I only recognize the labeled ones 😁 and the pentium 3s

Going right from the top left, it's an AMD 8086-2 and the 80186 right below that. Next is a PGA 286 and a 287 right below it, a 386 DX-33, a 486 DX-50 and DX2-66, A rebadged rebage DX2-50 (It's a DX2-66 from cyrix that has been relabeled as an IBM chip, and relabeled as 50MHz), an AMD 5x86 133, An original Socket 4 Pentium 60, a Pentium 75 with a gold top, a Pentium Overdrive 83 for 486 systems, a ceramic Pentium MMX 166, an IBM/Cyrix 6x86 133, a 256k Pentium Pro 200, a Cyrix MII-333, an AMD K6-2 350, a P3 500, Server Tualatin 1.2, and the literal worst ever Pentium 4 (1.3GHz).

Below that is a Zilog Z80, A Motorola 68030-16 and 68LC040-33, my B&W G3 tower's original 400MHz PowerPC G3, and an Ultra SPARC IIi that i pulled out of a dead workstation.

🤣, is this a bad cpu collection? xD I didn't remember the willamette looked like that. i used to have it, but i think it was a 1.4 with 128mb of rambus, which was a ridiculous low amount at the time, but that ram was so expensive

PcBytes wrote on 2024-09-17, 10:26:

Slightly undecided yet... half of me wants to go T-Bird + Voodoo 3 3000 with it, the other half wants me to go Palomino 2000+ with Geforce 4 Ti4200.

EDIT: Gonna have to ditch the V3... tried a 2000 AGP and it gets stuck on 25/24 POST codes. The card is functional on other mainboards, so I assume the ABIT simply doesn't like Voodoo cards?

More like the Voodoo cards dont like some AGP implementations, from reading around VIA chipsets were usually the ones that caused problems but that wasn't totally isolated to Voodoo cards.

Wes1262 wrote on 2024-09-17, 14:14:

BetaC wrote on 2024-09-16, 19:33:

Wes1262 wrote on 2024-09-16, 15:32:

Love this pic. Would love to do something similar myself one day. What's the names of these CPUs? I only recognize the labeled ones 😁 and the pentium 3s

Going right from the top left, it's an AMD 8086-2 and the 80186 right below that. Next is a PGA 286 and a 287 right below it, a 386 DX-33, a 486 DX-50 and DX2-66, A rebadged rebage DX2-50 (It's a DX2-66 from cyrix that has been relabeled as an IBM chip, and relabeled as 50MHz), an AMD 5x86 133, An original Socket 4 Pentium 60, a Pentium 75 with a gold top, a Pentium Overdrive 83 for 486 systems, a ceramic Pentium MMX 166, an IBM/Cyrix 6x86 133, a 256k Pentium Pro 200, a Cyrix MII-333, an AMD K6-2 350, a P3 500, Server Tualatin 1.2, and the literal worst ever Pentium 4 (1.3GHz).

Below that is a Zilog Z80, A Motorola 68030-16 and 68LC040-33, my B&W G3 tower's original 400MHz PowerPC G3, and an Ultra SPARC IIi that i pulled out of a dead workstation.

🤣, is this a bad cpu collection? xD I didn't remember the willamette looked like that. i used to have it, but i think it was a 1.4 with 128mb of rambus, which was a ridiculous low amount at the time, but that ram was so expensive

Thats a socket 423 Willy, they also came in socket 478 with the refresh, not that it helped much.

Trashbytes wrote on 2024-09-17, 15:02:

PcBytes wrote on 2024-09-17, 10:26:

Slightly undecided yet... half of me wants to go T-Bird + Voodoo 3 3000 with it, the other half wants me to go Palomino 2000+ with Geforce 4 Ti4200.

EDIT: Gonna have to ditch the V3... tried a 2000 AGP and it gets stuck on 25/24 POST codes. The card is functional on other mainboards, so I assume the ABIT simply doesn't like Voodoo cards?

More like the Voodoo cards dont like some AGP implementations, from reading around VIA chipsets were usually the ones that caused problems but that wasn't totally isolated to Voodoo cards.

I think it's AMI BIOS specifically that's got issues with V3. I have tested and two boards will boot with it but hang after the POST screen.

Best example I can give is Gigabyte 7VR and ECS K7VTA3/333 - former will hang after POST screen, latter will work flawlessly.

EDIT: Apparently it hates the 20GB HDD with 2k I have... for whatever reason. A 98SE HDD works without issues.

PcBytes wrote on 2024-09-17, 15:28:

I think it's AMI BIOS specifically that's got issues with V3. I have tested and two boards will boot with it but hang after the […]
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Trashbytes wrote on 2024-09-17, 15:02:

PcBytes wrote on 2024-09-17, 10:26:

Slightly undecided yet... half of me wants to go T-Bird + Voodoo 3 3000 with it, the other half wants me to go Palomino 2000+ with Geforce 4 Ti4200.

EDIT: Gonna have to ditch the V3... tried a 2000 AGP and it gets stuck on 25/24 POST codes. The card is functional on other mainboards, so I assume the ABIT simply doesn't like Voodoo cards?

More like the Voodoo cards dont like some AGP implementations, from reading around VIA chipsets were usually the ones that caused problems but that wasn't totally isolated to Voodoo cards.

I think it's AMI BIOS specifically that's got issues with V3. I have tested and two boards will boot with it but hang after the POST screen.

Best example I can give is Gigabyte 7VR and ECS K7VTA3/333 - former will hang after POST screen, latter will work flawlessly.

EDIT: Apparently it hates the 20GB HDD with 2k I have... for whatever reason. A 98SE HDD works without issues.

...A 20Gb HDD and 2K install, ok so I can add that to my list of shit Voodoo cards dislike 🤣

Seriously though Voodoo cards are picky about AGP, I have a Voodoo 5 that has a whole list of AGP boards it doesn't like.

RaverX wrote on 2024-09-17, 06:16:

Trashbytes wrote on 2024-09-17, 03:11:

128Mb GF3 Ti200 cards are gonna be exceptionally rare, I think Gainward and Aopen made one but I dont remember any Ti500s with 128mb. Ti500s came out rather late in the GF3 life cycle and were crazy expensive, so if you do find one itll be a Rare Unicorn and worth grabbing if its not an eye watering price.

128mb ti200s are pretty rare too, not seen one myself yet.

128 MB Ti200 cards are not rare, I had one back in the day, I bought one in 2001 (IIRC) for 130 euros, back then it was *a lot* of money. Abit Siluro, I was a huge fan of Abit, I already had an Abit motherboard. Turned out later that their videocards were not so great, my Ti200 was a solid card, but nothing special. Later I got the rush to get a DX9 card, so I bought an Abit FX5600DT 256 MB, I knew it's a low-mid end card, but I thought it should be fine... It was a failure, a really bad cooling system, it had Elixir RAM 🙁

Anyway, I have quite a few 128 MB Ti200 in my collection, I think I have more than 64 MB cards. But 128 MB Ti500 - yeah, that's an unicorn, I never seen one, I think they don't exist.

I "believe" they do exist, however extremely rare, I think Gainward Made a Geforce 3 TI 550 XP JUMBO 128MB, that could only be ordered from their website. That said I have never seen one in the wild.

Trashbytes wrote on 2024-09-17, 15:49:

PcBytes wrote on 2024-09-17, 15:28:

I think it's AMI BIOS specifically that's got issues with V3. I have tested and two boards will boot with it but hang after the […]
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Trashbytes wrote on 2024-09-17, 15:02:

More like the Voodoo cards dont like some AGP implementations, from reading around VIA chipsets were usually the ones that caused problems but that wasn't totally isolated to Voodoo cards.

I think it's AMI BIOS specifically that's got issues with V3. I have tested and two boards will boot with it but hang after the POST screen.

Best example I can give is Gigabyte 7VR and ECS K7VTA3/333 - former will hang after POST screen, latter will work flawlessly.

EDIT: Apparently it hates the 20GB HDD with 2k I have... for whatever reason. A 98SE HDD works without issues.

...A 20Gb HDD and 2K install, ok so I can add that to my list of shit Voodoo cards dislike 🤣

Seriously though Voodoo cards are picky about AGP, I have a Voodoo 5 that has a whole list of AGP boards it doesn't like.

Trim that down to 2k. It'd probably load fine if 98SE was there, regardless of HDD.

H3nrik V! wrote on 2024-09-17, 12:59:

BetaC wrote on 2024-09-16, 07:29:

Today's purchase was quite literally small.

The attachment IMG_3926.jpg is no longer available

I now finally have a 186. What's even better is it seems to not be one of the explicit microcontroller versions. This also means that I technically have every major generation of Intel x86 Processor in my collection, at least up until the actually useful P4s.

Actually, there were also PGA 186s. It took me a while to find one, though 😀

I did see a few of those on eBay, but I didn't want to spend triple what I did.

Wes1262 wrote on 2024-09-17, 14:14:

BetaC wrote on 2024-09-16, 19:33:

Wes1262 wrote on 2024-09-16, 15:32:

Love this pic. Would love to do something similar myself one day. What's the names of these CPUs? I only recognize the labeled ones 😁 and the pentium 3s

Going right from the top left, it's an AMD 8086-2 and the 80186 right below that. Next is a PGA 286 and a 287 right below it, a 386 DX-33, a 486 DX-50 and DX2-66, A rebadged rebage DX2-50 (It's a DX2-66 from cyrix that has been relabeled as an IBM chip, and relabeled as 50MHz), an AMD 5x86 133, An original Socket 4 Pentium 60, a Pentium 75 with a gold top, a Pentium Overdrive 83 for 486 systems, a ceramic Pentium MMX 166, an IBM/Cyrix 6x86 133, a 256k Pentium Pro 200, a Cyrix MII-333, an AMD K6-2 350, a P3 500, Server Tualatin 1.2, and the literal worst ever Pentium 4 (1.3GHz).

Below that is a Zilog Z80, A Motorola 68030-16 and 68LC040-33, my B&W G3 tower's original 400MHz PowerPC G3, and an Ultra SPARC IIi that i pulled out of a dead workstation.

🤣, is this a bad cpu collection? xD I didn't remember the willamette looked like that. i used to have it, but i think it was a 1.4 with 128mb of rambus, which was a ridiculous low amount at the time, but that ram was so expensive

That was the point with the P4, lmao. Why grab an actually interesting one when I can effectively shitpost about the entire platform with just one chip.

I do like "meme" hardware. The 423 willamette with rambus is on my list. I'll make a pc with a fx 5200 ultra, which I consider the worst GPUs ever made (expensive AND slow) or at least the worst GPU I am familiar with 😁

C'mon, don't do FX5200 dirty like that, there's several DX9 games they almost get double figure framerates on 🤣 ... They're not actually all that terrible if you keep them off DX9 stuff though. Good alternate to DX8 cards that have been expensive over the last couple of years.

MSI trolled me hard. Remember the 6168 I fixed a few pages back?

Apparently my board was resistor crippled from factory to 8MB. A quick read of the RAM chips brought Samsung KM4132G112Q-7, which turned out to be the same chips used in the very same Matrox G400 cards used to mod these 6168 boards into 16MB.

All it took was a missing 472 right next to the chip and voila, fully workin' 16MB worth of Voodoo 3 2000.

Now this is a board I'm defo keeping.

btw don't mind the 167MHz frequency - that's my OC done from them 3dfx Tools to bring it to 3000 speeds. If only I could drop a 3000 BIOS in there... (or heck, even 3500, if the RAM survives it.)

Luckily found this nice piece of history. It is 386SX based laptop CORDATA SX20, powered up, but unable to boot. The battery was leaked, and it looks like it was repaired in the past. Floppy didn’t work, HDD spin well, but as the CMOS is dead too, I need to disassemble it to check the model and set the right parameters.
So, it would be nice repair project

Laptop floppies seem particularly prone to the lube turning to glue, so hope it's that simple.

BitWrangler wrote on 2024-09-17, 18:55:

C'mon, don't do FX5200 dirty like that, there's several DX9 games they almost get double figure framerates on 🤣 ... They're not actually all that terrible if you keep them off DX9 stuff though. Good alternate to DX8 cards that have been expensive over the last couple of years.

Tell me one card that had worse value per buck than that 😁 $200 and it was slower than the ti4200 that by that point you could've bought second hand for 50$ or even less.
And as I recall it, it was even more expensive than the fx5600 ($150 ish) from the same line of cards, which was also faster. 😁 The ultimate bait card. I especially like the Gainward version, which was well over $200 and equally hopeless 😜

Kahenraz wrote on 2024-09-15, 17:10:

I would say to inspect the capacitors, but those look like quality polymer capacitors that probably aren't bad. After you got it posting in your new system, did you try it again in an older one to see if it worked? I have had seemingly dead cards spring back to life like this before, even ones with entirely ceramic and tantalum capacitors. I didn't know why it is, but it's like these old cards need a workout to get going again. Or maybe it's oxidation on the contacts that I'm scraping away through repeated insertions.

momaka wrote on 2024-09-16, 00:55:

It is most definitely not a power delivery issue. I don't know why this myth keeps spreading. A power delivery issue will almost […]
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It is most definitely not a power delivery issue. I don't know why this myth keeps spreading. A power delivery issue will almost always result in one of these:
- PC constantly boot-looping due to low and/or dirty voltage from the over-loaded rail(s)
- PSU trip short-circuit or OPP or OCP protection
- PSU blow up (if it's a cheapie no-name one)

Kahenraz wrote on 2024-09-15, 17:10:

I would say to inspect the capacitors, but those look like quality polymer capacitors that probably aren't bad.

Exactly!

However, you're not completely on the wrong track here.

That capacitors that should always be inspected on PCI-E video cards are the signal coupling ones by the PCI-E connector. These are typically 82 to 200 nF caps. A chipped or cracked one can become either open-circuited or short-circuited. On a card that doesn't detect, this is my 1st go-to item to check, especially if the card looks like it was mishandled before. My multimeter has a capacitance test function. While checking capacitors in circuit is usually not useful (due to high chance of getting a completely inaccurate reading), the ceramic coupling caps on the PCI-E lanes are an exception as they are not connected to anything on one end (the one that goes to the PCI-E edge connector.) Thus, these can be checked in circuit. If you don't get a healthy capacitance reading around 82 to 200 nF, then that can mean a cap is faulty. I saved a few video cards like this. On one of them, none of the caps even looked bad. But one was short-circuited. Removed & replaced and that got the card working fine afterwards.

Kahenraz wrote on 2024-09-15, 17:10:

Or maybe it's oxidation on the contacts that I'm scraping away through repeated insertions.

Rarely the case, but still worth checking.

I inspected the card as best i can and everything seemed ok. Even cleaned the PCI-E connecter with IPA before inserting the card for the first time. After failure to produce video i even re-seated the card several times to no avail. So indeed this can be pretty much ruled out.

I also tried putting pressure on the pcb here and there but no luck. Tried 2 different boards and 2 different PSU's with no change. Then for some reason my main rig "pulled it through".

I have now also put the card in a 4th setup (S939) and lo and behold it works. Have yet to actually boot it into windows and put some load on it though.

Thanks for the insights on the caps .. i was mistakenly under the impression that cap testing was not possible while attached to the board. Good to hear this is possibly on the caps that go to the connector. However i have alot to learn here as i'm new to actually testing and troubleshooting hardware electrically. (apart from changing a visually blown cap)

Thanks for the insights guy's. I will keep it updated.

BitWrangler wrote on 2024-09-17, 18:55:

C'mon, don't do FX5200 dirty like that, there's several DX9 games they almost get double figure framerates on 🤣 ... They're not actually all that terrible if you keep them off DX9 stuff though. Good alternate to DX8 cards that have been expensive over the last couple of years.

Ah, but "ULTRA", so it MUST be good 😀 Good for their bottom line, anyway 😀

Wes1262 wrote on 2024-09-17, 18:39:

I do like "meme" hardware. The 423 willamette with rambus is on my list. I'll make a pc with a fx 5200 ultra, which I consider the worst GPUs ever made (expensive AND slow) or at least the worst GPU I am familiar with 😁

The millenial troll PC - A Socket 423 Rambus build

A little less "bad" but still, the general idea ...