Methanoid wrote on 2024-10-02, 15:00:

Falcosoft wrote on 2023-03-17, 10:15:

Since video card's HDMI ports only support digital audio out it's not likely they work. Has anyone tested this?

This is my #1 question for SBemu as most of my GPUs are connected by HDMI for video and sound ... Do i need a special switch for SBemu to force to use Nvidia or AMD HD audio and hence test this?

The HDA code seems to have support for various ATI (AMD) and NVIDIA cards (the graphics cards' audio portion just appears as a HDA device on the PCI bus IIRC):

https://github.com/crazii/SBEMU/blob/75fea771 … d.c#L1241-L1392

I once tried it with a GTX 960 (on PCIe), but after quick testing, couldn't get it working - YMMV, feel free to play around. Also here, using FreeBSD or Linux as reference (in case of NVIDIA, look at nouveau).

I've read somewhere that the graphics card has to be initialised somewhat more than what the VGA BIOS does. In any case, chances are you have onboard HDA in addition to NVIDIA/AMD HDA on the graphics card, in which case you might need to play around with the graphics card index.

Looking at the nouveau "HDMI Audio" support list: https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/FeatureMatrix.html

It says:

HDMI Audio only works for NVA3/A5/A8 (GT21x) GPUs. Some pre-NVA3 setups have been reported, but it's no thanks to nouveau.

So chances are if you try HDMI out with pre-NVA3 and the HDA driver, it might just magically work (or not...).

thp wrote on 2024-10-03, 10:42:

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Methanoid wrote on 2024-10-02, 15:00:

Falcosoft wrote on 2023-03-17, 10:15:

Since video card's HDMI ports only support digital audio out it's not likely they work. Has anyone tested this?

This is my #1 question for SBemu as most of my GPUs are connected by HDMI for video and sound ... Do i need a special switch for SBemu to force to use Nvidia or AMD HD audio and hence test this?

The HDA code seems to have support for various ATI (AMD) and NVIDIA cards (the graphics cards' audio portion just appears as a HDA device on the PCI bus IIRC):

https://github.com/crazii/SBEMU/blob/75fea771 … d.c#L1241-L1392

I once tried it with a GTX 960 (on PCIe), but after quick testing, couldn't get it working - YMMV, feel free to play around. Also here, using FreeBSD or Linux as reference (in case of NVIDIA, look at nouveau).

I've read somewhere that the graphics card has to be initialised somewhat more than what the VGA BIOS does. In any case, chances are you have onboard HDA in addition to NVIDIA/AMD HDA on the graphics card, in which case you might need to play around with the graphics card index.

Looking at the nouveau "HDMI Audio" support list: https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/FeatureMatrix.html

It says:

HDMI Audio only works for NVA3/A5/A8 (GT21x) GPUs. Some pre-NVA3 setups have been reported, but it's no thanks to nouveau.

So chances are if you try HDMI out with pre-NVA3 (wihchand the HDA driver, it might just magically work (or not...).

1) I looked at first link and whilst MANY ATI/AMD GPUs are listed (I have an RV630 so will try that later) the Nvidia ones listed are just chipsets so I wonder if NV is covered at all for GPUs
2) The Nouveau stuff I looked at I am doubtful of cos it lists GPU Audio support since Tesla cards and I *think* that Audio didnt come to NV cards until Fermi cards... so I am "suss" on that

I'll test the RV630 (HD2600XT) soon and just ordered a W7000(pro version of R9 270x/7870) to test that as I really want to have the right card for both SBEmu and also Win2k-XP-10 use in a multi purpose machine ....

Can't get audio at all under Windows 10 with the RV630 (Radeon HD2600XT) so can't even test SBemu but I did notice SBemu code has support for RV630 as
{"ATI RV630", 0x1002, 0xaa08, AZX_DRIVER_ATIHDMI } but the actual card under Windows10 reports hardware IDs different - HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_1002&DEV_AA01&SUBSYS_00AA0100

Maybe @crazii has some idea. I hope the W7000 is my saviour for both Win10 and SBemu use!

Methanoid wrote on 2024-10-06, 14:09:

Can't get audio at all under Windows 10 with the RV630 (Radeon HD2600XT) so can't even test SBemu but I did notice SBemu code has support for RV630 as
{"ATI RV630", 0x1002, 0xaa08, AZX_DRIVER_ATIHDMI } but the actual card under Windows10 reports hardware IDs different - HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_1002&DEV_AA01&SUBSYS_00AA0100

Have you tried booting in a Linux live distro (USB or CD/DVD) to see if it's detected and working?

Does SBEMU and Nforce3 chipset supported with ALC850, sound works with Win98 (only with Nforce Audio driver), not with realtek ALC850 regular driver ( Intel/Via/Sis are supported). I have also Nvidia and ATi chipset motherboards, why they where less supported by the realtek, if the sound chip/codec is the same?

I will test it out at this Socket 754 motherboard soon. I hope they work. 😀
https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/msi-k8 … o-ms-7030-ver-1

Methanoid wrote on 2024-10-06, 14:09:

Can't get audio at all under Windows 10 with the RV630 (Radeon HD2600XT) so can't even test SBemu but I did notice SBemu code has support for RV630 as
{"ATI RV630", 0x1002, 0xaa08, AZX_DRIVER_ATIHDMI } but the actual card under Windows10 reports hardware IDs different - HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_1002&DEV_AA01&SUBSYS_00AA0100

That's the HD Audio bus device ID as it starts with HDAUDIO\. What's the PCI device ID? If SBEMU supports it, it should show up with /SCL (run this before you load SBEMU), then you can select the appropriate output device with /SCn where n is the index.

jtchip wrote on 2024-10-07, 00:36:

Methanoid wrote on 2024-10-06, 14:09:

Can't get audio at all under Windows 10 with the RV630 (Radeon HD2600XT) so can't even test SBemu but I did notice SBemu code has support for RV630 as
{"ATI RV630", 0x1002, 0xaa08, AZX_DRIVER_ATIHDMI } but the actual card under Windows10 reports hardware IDs different - HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_1002&DEV_AA01&SUBSYS_00AA0100

That's the HD Audio bus device ID as it starts with HDAUDIO\. What's the PCI device ID? If SBEMU supports it, it should show up with /SCL (run this before you load SBEMU), then you can select the appropriate output device with /SCn where n is the index.

Thanks,I'm getting there. I suspect my RV630 had issues as it only detected 4 PCIE lanes and I got refunded on it on eBay but bought another. Installed today and disabled onboard HDA and Intel IGPU to disable all other sound.

Booted FreeDOS, ran HDPMI32.exe (??, the file that comes with SBemu) and then SBEMU /SCL and it detects the only audio as my RV630 which is great. If I run SBEMU then I either get an error about missing CWSDPMI.exe preventing it running OR my machine just reboots (and then loads Windows as default OS which is expected).

I'm close, just wondering if its cos my FreeDOS doesnt load the JEMMEX (at all) and HDPMI32.exe/SBEMU.exe files automatically

If I can get the RV630 audio to work then I confirm that GPU HDA does work for ATI/AMD (I'm still skeptical about Nvidia) and then my better cards will be deployable for my "perfect" multi-retro-OS system and I will be very happy 😀

marxveix wrote on 2024-10-06, 20:37:

Does SBEMU and Nforce3 chipset supported with ALC850, sound works with Win98 (only with Nforce Audio driver), not with realtek ALC850 regular driver ( Intel/Via/Sis are supported). I have also Nvidia and ATi chipset motherboards, why they where less supported by the realtek, if the sound chip/codec is the same?

I will test it out at this Socket 754 motherboard soon. I hope they work. 😀
https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/msi-k8 … o-ms-7030-ver-1

Nforce3 (Realtek ALC850 AC97) sound and music works @ DOS, tested with Duke3D, latest SBEMU 1.0beta4.

Nvidia Quadro K4200 as only sound device in PC. Not detected by SBEMU 1.0beta4 (as I expected as code seems to indicate ONLY Nvidia mobo chipsets detected).

ATI Radeon HD2600XT (RV630) supported in code. Only sound device in PC. Detected as Intel HDA by SBEMU 1.0beta4 but no sound at all in Eye of the Beholder (VGA or EGA mode with Sound Blaster sound selected).

Does SBEMU need sound variables set like BLASTER etc?(Its been 25 years since I used DOS!)

Methanoid wrote on 2024-10-07, 17:02:

ATI Radeon HD2600XT (RV630) supported in code. Only sound device in PC. Detected as Intel HDA by SBEMU 1.0beta4 but no sound at all in Eye of the Beholder (VGA or EGA mode with Sound Blaster sound selected).

Does SBEMU need sound variables set like BLASTER etc?(Its been 25 years since I used DOS!)

OF course its a DOS. For my NForce3 i did use set BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 H5 P330.
How it routes sound trough HDMI from dos, what soundcard you have?

Methanoid wrote on 2024-10-07, 10:40:

Booted FreeDOS, ran HDPMI32.exe (??, the file that comes with SBemu) and then SBEMU /SCL and it detects the only audio as my RV630 which is great. If I run SBEMU then I either get an error about missing CWSDPMI.exe preventing it running OR my machine just reboots (and then loads Windows as default OS which is expected).

did you run HDPMI32.exe with -r option to make it resident? It then should provide DMPI services and programs should not ask for cwsdpmi... If you used -r then it unloaded by some error or got corrupted...

I think the HDMI is a dead end, the smooth motherboard HDA is going nicely with the SBEMU/VSBHDA pair, now I push the MSI AMD (780G) page, with ALC888 Full, Retro DOS titles. The XFI and Yamaha Sound in it do not go(DOS 6.22/7.1 too do), it is due to the IRQ deficiency, but the motherboard is complete.
Anyway, HDMI's voice is lagging behind the dedicated cards, just a need for a need if there is nothing else. The motherboard is even weaker, but it is good for retro addresses if it can be revived.
And Freedos is over-complicated syntax, much better is smooth DOS 7.1 if you need FAT32 disk treatment or DOS long fillets with DOSLfn.

Looks like the 1.0 beta 5 archive is missing README.txt, this has instructions on how to load HDPMI32i.exe, the BLASTER environment variable (SBEMU sets that automatically, unless it's already set which means it'll use its settings), and some options for JEMMEX (which is only required for real-mode applications).

Hey all, so when SBEMU is loaded all games FREEZE. I am running FreeDOS 1.3 and the games I am trying are the games installed form either the FreeDOS 1.3 install CD or Bonus CD. I have tried BOOM, FREEDOOM, WING, and QTETRIS: none will start, starting freezes/hangs. Sometimes I can ctrl-alt-delete restart but sometimes the entire PC is frozen/hung and I have to use the power switch to reboot. When SBEMU is NOT loaded, these games run fine. Any suggestions appriciated. Thank you!

SYZYGY wrote on 2024-10-08, 12:55:

Hey all, so when SBEMU is loaded all games FREEZE. I am running FreeDOS 1.3 and the games I am trying are the games installed fo […]
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Hey all, so when SBEMU is loaded all games FREEZE. I am running FreeDOS 1.3 and the games I am trying are the games installed form either the FreeDOS 1.3 install CD or Bonus CD. I have tried BOOM, FREEDOOM, WING, and QTETRIS: none will start, starting freezes/hangs. Sometimes I can ctrl-alt-delete restart but sometimes the entire PC is frozen/hung and I have to use the power switch to reboot. When SBEMU is NOT loaded, these games run fine. Any suggestions appriciated. Thank you!

Possibly run HDPMI32I with the "-r" flag to make it resident, so that DPMI apps that get started will use HDPMI instead of their default extender. Might not have an effect on real mode games, but protected mode games.

thp wrote on 2024-10-09, 06:02:

SYZYGY wrote on 2024-10-08, 12:55:

Hey all, so when SBEMU is loaded all games FREEZE. I am running FreeDOS 1.3 and the games I am trying are the games installed fo […]
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Hey all, so when SBEMU is loaded all games FREEZE. I am running FreeDOS 1.3 and the games I am trying are the games installed form either the FreeDOS 1.3 install CD or Bonus CD. I have tried BOOM, FREEDOOM, WING, and QTETRIS: none will start, starting freezes/hangs. Sometimes I can ctrl-alt-delete restart but sometimes the entire PC is frozen/hung and I have to use the power switch to reboot. When SBEMU is NOT loaded, these games run fine. Any suggestions appriciated. Thank you!

Possibly run HDPMI32I with the "-r" flag to make it resident, so that DPMI apps that get started will use HDPMI instead of their default extender. Might not have an effect on real mode games, but protected mode games.

Thanks but sadly that didn’t help. However I now get an error before it freezes/hangs.

This is one of the most frustrating experiences ever... I've tried FreeDOS and MSDOS... the FreeDOS IMG provided by Crazii seems to have some problems (I raised ticket at GH, no response).

The best "guide" I have found is here https://www.jamesfmackenzie.com/2023/03/22/ho … able-usb-stick/ so now I can boot FreeDOS, I have JEMM and HDPMI32i loaded and I see my FirePro W7000's HDA fine. Blaster emulation shows up with IRQ7 for some reason. But getting a game to test it works is proving a challenge

I tried Doom (Shareware) and it sticks on the DOS4GW loading and when I press a key it errors and asks if I want to abort. Yes, says I, and then text scrolls at FTL speeds up my screen and I have to hard reset
I tried DukeNuked3D (Shareware) and the installer hangs with error 200 (so cannot even try the game)
I tried EOTB and there seems to be no sound in the game and no setup prog to check what settings so I used SET BLASTER=A220 I7 D1 in case it needed it but no sound

Can someone PLEASE tell me a program that (a) works and (b) readily available and (c) allows settings to ensure it will work with IRQ7 rather than more common IRQ5. I just wanna SEE if I can get sound before I invest half my life installing DOS or Win98 to be able to play some old games.

Why are you so married to irq7?

myne wrote on 2024-10-11, 13:21:

Why are you so married to irq7?

I'm not .. its what SBEMU chose....