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Reply 120 of 454, by DustyShinigami

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Ydee wrote on 2024-10-18, 11:11:

You are from UK? If not, better forget it and even if yes, it´s very sensitive goods and must by very carefull packed and transported. I can't imagine it in international transport.
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I am, yeah. But don't worry - no matter which one I go for, and they offer to send it, I will make sure to ask them to package it as securely as they can. I do reckon if I buy one any time soon, it will end up being a collection. But hopefully somewhere a bit nearer. Or possibly where we can meet halfway.

OS: Windows 98 SE
CPU: Pentium III Katmai 450MHz (SL35D)/Pentium III Coppermine 933MHz (SL448)
RAM: SK Hynix 128MB 100MHz/Kingston 256MB 133MHz
GPU: Nvidia 16MB Riva TNT/Geforce 128MB 4 MX 440
Motherboard: MSI-6156/Abit BE6-II

Reply 121 of 454, by DustyShinigami

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To be fair, the one I've linked does look a bit scuffed.

OS: Windows 98 SE
CPU: Pentium III Katmai 450MHz (SL35D)/Pentium III Coppermine 933MHz (SL448)
RAM: SK Hynix 128MB 100MHz/Kingston 256MB 133MHz
GPU: Nvidia 16MB Riva TNT/Geforce 128MB 4 MX 440
Motherboard: MSI-6156/Abit BE6-II

Reply 122 of 454, by DudeFace

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DustyShinigami wrote on 2024-10-18, 12:51:

To be fair, the one I've linked does look a bit scuffed.

was gonna say that it looks scuffed to shit and 90 quid aint cheap as the seller states, he's got another one here that looks better
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/387485358418?_trkp … MARYSEGRP6JYFRB

though i would refuse to buy from them based on the fact they're selling over priced scuffed up crap, i'm guessing you're in lewes from the facebook ad you posted, im a bit further along the coast between portsmouth and southampton, i wouldnt chance it, morecambe is more than halfway across the country, also shipping a heavy crt for only £11.95 does seem cheap even for royal mail.

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Reply 123 of 454, by Shponglefan

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myne wrote on 2024-10-18, 11:36:

Every single one of these made at least one journey on a ship, and likely at least 3 in trucks.

Those would have been packaged in boxes and foam specifically shaped for the monitor and designed to withstand the perils of shipping. Not to mention shipped in containers where they would typically be stacked and secured.

With second hand shipping, you're rolling the dice in how it gets packaged and transported.

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Reply 124 of 454, by DustyShinigami

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DudeFace wrote on 2024-10-18, 13:45:
was gonna say that it looks scuffed to shit and 90 quid aint cheap as the seller states, he's got another one here that looks be […]
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was gonna say that it looks scuffed to shit and 90 quid aint cheap as the seller states, he's got another one here that looks better
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/387485358418?_trkp … MARYSEGRP6JYFRB

though i would refuse to buy from them based on the fact they're selling over priced scuffed up crap, i'm guessing you're in lewes from the facebook ad you posted, im a bit further along the coast between portsmouth and southampton, i wouldnt chance it, morecambe is more than halfway across the country, also shipping a heavy crt for only £11.95 does seem cheap even for royal mail.

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Yeah, I did see that cheaper one, but, I dunno... I need to ask a bit more about the spec of it.

No, I'm not in Lewes. I'm from a small hick town called Uttoxeter in Staffordshire. Miles away from the vast majority of those Facebook listings. ^^; Even if I specify the distance, Facebook's amazing algorithm still lists towns/cities miles away, like London. Or shows me CRT TVs as well.

OS: Windows 98 SE
CPU: Pentium III Katmai 450MHz (SL35D)/Pentium III Coppermine 933MHz (SL448)
RAM: SK Hynix 128MB 100MHz/Kingston 256MB 133MHz
GPU: Nvidia 16MB Riva TNT/Geforce 128MB 4 MX 440
Motherboard: MSI-6156/Abit BE6-II

Reply 125 of 454, by CharlieFoxtrot

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myne wrote on 2024-10-18, 11:36:
Every single one of these made at least one journey on a ship, and likely at least 3 in trucks. […]
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Every single one of these made at least one journey on a ship, and likely at least 3 in trucks.

More than likely its been punched a dozen times too over the years.

If the shipper is liberal with the expanding foam bags, it should be fine.

There's also insurance.

The only thing with these old tubes is that plastic may have gotten quite brittle. Even though it is well packaged, they may get such treatment that the plastics can't handle it anymore. The biggest problem is that the plastic case has clips to support tube to the frame and motherboard which has relatively heavy flyback transformer with bunch of other components and chassis works as a structural element. If those support clips break during transport, practically everything becomes loose and damage may be extensive.

But yes, you can ship CRTs and it can be done succesfully, but there are always risks related to it. Years ago I personally bought Amstrad CPC color monitor from France and it was shipped well packaged (huge amounts of bubble wrapping and it was packaged tightly so it couldn't move in the box) and it arrived intact to Finland.

Reply 126 of 454, by Ydee

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DustyShinigami wrote on 2024-10-18, 12:49:

I am, yeah. But don't worry - no matter which one I go for, and they offer to send it, I will make sure to ask them to package it as securely as they can. I do reckon if I buy one any time soon, it will end up being a collection. But hopefully somewhere a bit nearer. Or possibly where we can meet halfway.

When I bought both my CRT monitors, I drove my car personally for both of them. It took a couple of hours and a couple gallons of gas, but it was worth it and I got them home safely. But I understand you don't always get a chance to get something suitable in acceptable range. Good luck getting what you wish for!

Reply 127 of 454, by DustyShinigami

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Ydee wrote on 2024-10-18, 15:16:

When I bought both my CRT monitors, I drove my car personally for both of them. It took a couple of hours and a couple gallons of gas, but it was worth it and I got them home safely. But I understand you don't always get a chance to get something suitable in acceptable range. Good luck getting what you wish for!

Thanks. Here's hoping something crops up sooner or later. 😀

On that note though, I've just seen this tower on eBay, which is right on my doorstep. 😁 I've asked some questions about it, such as some of the components it comes with, but this could be a possibility.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/404983562399?_skw= … %3ABFBMoKyeg9Rk

OS: Windows 98 SE
CPU: Pentium III Katmai 450MHz (SL35D)/Pentium III Coppermine 933MHz (SL448)
RAM: SK Hynix 128MB 100MHz/Kingston 256MB 133MHz
GPU: Nvidia 16MB Riva TNT/Geforce 128MB 4 MX 440
Motherboard: MSI-6156/Abit BE6-II

Reply 129 of 454, by DustyShinigami

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Ydee wrote on 2024-10-18, 15:33:

I am not familiary with Dell desktop, but isn´t it i810 based board? If yes, then it´s not best candidate for your intensions, IMHO.
https://www.roberthancock.com/dell/delllproc.htm

Most likely the 440BX.

OS: Windows 98 SE
CPU: Pentium III Katmai 450MHz (SL35D)/Pentium III Coppermine 933MHz (SL448)
RAM: SK Hynix 128MB 100MHz/Kingston 256MB 133MHz
GPU: Nvidia 16MB Riva TNT/Geforce 128MB 4 MX 440
Motherboard: MSI-6156/Abit BE6-II

Reply 130 of 454, by DustyShinigami

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Yeah, so, I need to find out somehow if that tower will be suitable for a 440BX motherboard, otherwise I'll have to give it a miss.

OS: Windows 98 SE
CPU: Pentium III Katmai 450MHz (SL35D)/Pentium III Coppermine 933MHz (SL448)
RAM: SK Hynix 128MB 100MHz/Kingston 256MB 133MHz
GPU: Nvidia 16MB Riva TNT/Geforce 128MB 4 MX 440
Motherboard: MSI-6156/Abit BE6-II

Reply 131 of 454, by DustyShinigami

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Hmm. Well, looking on Wikipedia, yeah, that tower is more suited to the 810 series. It would be the XPS or V series I'd need. 🙁

OS: Windows 98 SE
CPU: Pentium III Katmai 450MHz (SL35D)/Pentium III Coppermine 933MHz (SL448)
RAM: SK Hynix 128MB 100MHz/Kingston 256MB 133MHz
GPU: Nvidia 16MB Riva TNT/Geforce 128MB 4 MX 440
Motherboard: MSI-6156/Abit BE6-II

Reply 132 of 454, by DustyShinigami

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Yeah, I need some suggestions for a case/tower. I'm really not sure what to look for and I clearly can't just go for any old beige retro looking one.

OS: Windows 98 SE
CPU: Pentium III Katmai 450MHz (SL35D)/Pentium III Coppermine 933MHz (SL448)
RAM: SK Hynix 128MB 100MHz/Kingston 256MB 133MHz
GPU: Nvidia 16MB Riva TNT/Geforce 128MB 4 MX 440
Motherboard: MSI-6156/Abit BE6-II

Reply 133 of 454, by DustyShinigami

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So, any ATX tower should be fine, right? But ideally one that's period correct for a 440BX? Even a micro ATX tower?

OS: Windows 98 SE
CPU: Pentium III Katmai 450MHz (SL35D)/Pentium III Coppermine 933MHz (SL448)
RAM: SK Hynix 128MB 100MHz/Kingston 256MB 133MHz
GPU: Nvidia 16MB Riva TNT/Geforce 128MB 4 MX 440
Motherboard: MSI-6156/Abit BE6-II

Reply 134 of 454, by CharlieFoxtrot

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DustyShinigami wrote on 2024-10-18, 19:44:

So, any ATX tower should be fine, right? But ideally one that's period correct for a 440BX? Even a micro ATX tower?

Sure, ATX case will house those 440BX ATX boards. MicroATX will be fine if you get MicroATX motherboard, there are quite few of them with 440BX.

Reply 135 of 454, by DustyShinigami

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CharlieFoxtrot wrote on 2024-10-18, 20:04:

Sure, ATX case will house those 440BX ATX boards. MicroATX will be fine if you get MicroATX motherboard, there are quite few of them with 440BX.

Okay, cool. Thanks. I think I did read somewhere that a mini ATX would be fine for a 440BX? But I can't seem to find it now. Better stick to a regular ATX case just in case.

OS: Windows 98 SE
CPU: Pentium III Katmai 450MHz (SL35D)/Pentium III Coppermine 933MHz (SL448)
RAM: SK Hynix 128MB 100MHz/Kingston 256MB 133MHz
GPU: Nvidia 16MB Riva TNT/Geforce 128MB 4 MX 440
Motherboard: MSI-6156/Abit BE6-II

Reply 136 of 454, by SScorpio

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DustyShinigami wrote on 2024-10-18, 21:43:

Okay, cool. Thanks. I think I did read somewhere that a mini ATX would be fine for a 440BX? But I can't seem to find it now. Better stick to a regular ATX case just in case.

It's down to whatever board you end up getting. We're still using the ATX standard from way back then. A micro ATX case is limited to a motherboard with four slots. More than that and you need a full sized ATX.

Reply 137 of 454, by Ydee

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Brand manufacturers (Dell, Compaq, HP, etc.) often use customized case design, so the regular ATX board will not always be installable without modifications. That's why I'd prefer to choose from regular OEM cases or branded ones, but with a standard (m)ATX design.
Dimension L500c from link has i810 chipset, without AGP slot, which make VGA card choice more expensive, harder and limited (you need PCI graphics or onboard weak in chipset).

Reply 138 of 454, by myne

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DustyShinigami wrote on 2024-10-18, 21:43:
CharlieFoxtrot wrote on 2024-10-18, 20:04:

Sure, ATX case will house those 440BX ATX boards. MicroATX will be fine if you get MicroATX motherboard, there are quite few of them with 440BX.

Okay, cool. Thanks. I think I did read somewhere that a mini ATX would be fine for a 440BX? But I can't seem to find it now. Better stick to a regular ATX case just in case.

Did you mean micro atx or mini itx?
Mini Itx didn't exist until about 7 years later.

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Reply 139 of 454, by DustyShinigami

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myne wrote on 2024-10-19, 10:36:

Did you mean micro atx or mini itx?
Mini Itx didn't exist until about 7 years later.

Mini ATX.

OS: Windows 98 SE
CPU: Pentium III Katmai 450MHz (SL35D)/Pentium III Coppermine 933MHz (SL448)
RAM: SK Hynix 128MB 100MHz/Kingston 256MB 133MHz
GPU: Nvidia 16MB Riva TNT/Geforce 128MB 4 MX 440
Motherboard: MSI-6156/Abit BE6-II