marxveix wrote on 2024-10-08, 11:11:

There where no sound at first and i needed to add 2 jumpres to make it work. Sound now works with Windows 98 and DOS, manual did […]
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There where no sound at first and i needed to add 2 jumpres to make it work.
Sound now works with Windows 98 and DOS, manual did not have this info.
just looked internet forum/pics and my MSI MB did not have these jumpers.
Do i need better soundcard or it can be without, any useful PCI add in cards?

Which 2 jumpers you mean, these?

Ydee wrote on 2024-10-08, 15:32:

marxveix wrote on 2024-10-08, 11:11:

There where no sound at first and i needed to add 2 jumpres to make it work. Sound now works with Windows 98 and DOS, manual did […]
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There where no sound at first and i needed to add 2 jumpres to make it work.
Sound now works with Windows 98 and DOS, manual did not have this info.
just looked internet forum/pics and my MSI MB did not have these jumpers.
Do i need better soundcard or it can be without, any useful PCI add in cards?

Which 2 jumpers you mean, these?

Yes these. I probably did not look that well msi ms-7030 manual. Found solution without it, after i downloaded motherboard pdf and looked specs.

MS-7030 manual page 2-20 has this information,manual pdf here
https://theretroweb.com/motherboard/manual/e7 … 35109340966.pdf
https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/msi-k8 … o-ms-7030-ver-1

Added CD/DVD (DVDRW) Samsung SH-182M Black with IDE connector, crossflashed it to Philips SPD6002T P1.3 firmware, seems working well (at least reads discs), also DVD write DVD-R lead-in should be fixed now. https://web.archive.org/web/20081202101339/ht … 14/#post2101626

Tested Win9x with Radeon 9600 Pro and 3DMark99 Max with Catalyst 4.2 did get 18969 points, with Quadro FX 500 it was 15730 points.

Found out that there are RV351SE 64bit / RV351 128bit / RV351 PRO 128bit chipsets, they are 110nm and fit better at Low power pc builds.
Also some Radeon 9550XT cards have 2.5ns or 2.2ns memory with rv360 core, what makes them faster cards than original ATi 9600XT.

RV351 is RV350 with 110nm+thermal monitoring
https://www.techpowerup.com/1036/rv351-info

Next week i get ATi 9600XT and i test it also out, if its with fast memory, then it probably stays with this pc build.

edit:
3D Mark99 Max results with no OC
Nvidia Quadro FX500 15730 driver 45.23
ATi Radeon 9600 Pro 18969 driver 4.2
ATi Radeon 9600 XT 20086 driver 4.2

Found Turion 64 MT34 TMSMT34BQX5LD (Thats 24w cpu vs 35w, but 200Mhz slower, other specs same, someone has MT-37 cpu)? If i go with lower power consumption path, then MT34 or MT37 would be much better.

Turion 64 MT34 1.8GHz (24w)
https://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K8/AMD-T ... DWOF).html
Turion 64 MT37 2.0GHz (25w)
https://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K8/AMD-T ... DWOF).html

If i look VGA cards max power consumption, then Radeon 9500 should be winner with 12w (but its 150nm), how thats possible compared to Radeon 9600Pro 18w (130nm), XT even higer at 22W. Those 64mb Radeon 9500 possible unlock to 9500 pro? What is 9500 Pro 128mb power consumption? 18 and 22w Radeon 9600 does not need power connector and Radeon9500 12w does (strange)?

Radeon 9500
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-9500.c481
Radeon 9500 Pro
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-9500-pro.c52

RV351 (110nm) Radeon 9600 / 9650 / 9600XT cards are more available @ Apple, can they be flashed to PC?

Some pictures of the case and the components. Added Teac fdd (black) and Hard Drive is ExcelStor J880 IDE (Hitachi Deskstar). Cable managment need better job and maybe i need quieter hard drive, fan regulator also there and power gives Seasonic 350W psu. Cpu cooler changed to non led Zalman and didnt need tottaly CU based one for this Turion64. Motherboard chipset thermal paste changed with wider black heatsink. White backside sticker needs removing. 😀

Interesting case! with front installed PSU.
You don't seen many cases with this design.
Looks very clean and complete.

I have a similar cpu heatsink: Zalman CNPS 7000B-AlCu
It's without LED and it fit's very well on pentium 4 too.

P4 Northwood: My fastest Win98 PC - 1.16 Ghz to 3.0 Ghz

melbar wrote on 2024-10-22, 17:47:

Interesting case! with front installed PSU. You don't seen many cases with this design. Looks very clean and complete. […]
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Interesting case! with front installed PSU.
You don't seen many cases with this design.
Looks very clean and complete.

I have a similar cpu heatsink: Zalman CNPS 7000B-AlCu
It's without LED and it fit's very well on pentium 4 too.

P4 Northwood: My fastest Win98 PC - 1.16 Ghz to 3.0 Ghz

Case is: Artic Cooling Silentium T1
https://www-hard--h2o-com.translate.goog/revi … &_x_tr_pto=wapp
https://www-dekada-com.translate.goog/arctic- … &_x_tr_pto=wapp
Even it has 4x Arctic Fan 3, its quiet, hard drive is more noisy,
so i change it soon. Case build and tickness is good@0.8mm.

Case airflow:

I need longer lenght GPU (Sapphire ATi Radeon 9600XT 128mb with 2.8ns is bit short). 😀

Zalman Cooler is very cool, but for the complete Arctic Cooling setup, i should change coolers to Arctic maybe.

Arctic Cooling Freezer 64 Pro
https://www.frostytech.com/articles/1895/index.html
ATi Silencer
https://www.dekada.com/en/arctic-ati-silencer … -rev2-p-65.html

melbar wrote on 2024-10-22, 17:47:

II have a similar cpu heatsink: Zalman CNPS 7000B-AlCu
P4 Northwood: My fastest Win98 PC - 1.16 Ghz to 3.0 Ghz

Nice P4 build you have there. Didnt check the code, seems exactly the same Zalman cooler. It stays with this PC now.

What would you change or add for this build?

Well, there's a difference between the 7000 and 7700 Zalman cooler.

CNPS7000-AlCu
Dimensions (mm) 109(L) x 109(W) x 62(H)
Weight (grams) 445

CNPS7700-AlCu
Dimensions (mm) 136(L) x 136(W) x 67(H)
Weight (grams) 600

Review:
Zalman 7000-Cu / AlCu CPU Heatsink

Zalman CNPS7700-AlCu Heatsink/Fan

melbar wrote on 2024-10-23, 03:59:

Well, there's a difference between the 7000 and 7700 Zalman cooler. […]
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Well, there's a difference between the 7000 and 7700 Zalman cooler.

CNPS7000-AlCu
Dimensions (mm) 109(L) x 109(W) x 62(H)
Weight (grams) 445

CNPS7700-AlCu
Dimensions (mm) 136(L) x 136(W) x 67(H)
Weight (grams) 600

Review:
Zalman 7000-Cu / AlCu CPU Heatsink

Zalman CNPS7700-AlCu Heatsink/Fan

I have heavy 600g version also, but Mobile Sempron up to 25w and Turion 64 up to 35w does not need it,
i save it for another build, maybe dual core S939 (AM1) build without Windows 98, just Win2K or WinXP.
For S939 we do not have very low power usage CPU-s, its dual channel and dual core setup for Athlon 64.

Right now are my plans for this build to change Sapphire Radeon 9600XT 128MB cooler + add heatsinks (maybe).
Also have plans to change ide hard drive for bigger and quieter one for multiple os use case, any recommendations?
For Multiple OS i think 2x1GB DDR400 CL2.5 ram, but this needs memory patch for Windows 98 SE operating system.

https://www.gpuzoo.com/GPU-Sapphire/Radeon_9600_XT.html

As motherboard and gpu are blacks, also case is mostly black, i should call this Arctic Black Diamond.
I see many use multiple soundcards, only black soundcard i have, Dell Audigy2 ZS, it has Win9x / VXD.

Dell OEM Creative Soundblaster Audigy 2 ZS (SB0350)

The radeon 9600Xt is a nice VGA card.
But for an Athlon64 based system, it is a little too weak.

Benchmark 3Dmark03 in review, (test system P4 C 3,0GHz)
Asus Radeon 9600 XT - 3922 points.
Sapphire Atlantis Radeon 9600 XT Fireblade Edition - 4177 points.

There is a GPU bottleneck.

For example my Geforce 7800 GT.
Benchmark 3Dmark03 in review, (test system A64 4000+)
nVidia GeForce 7800 GT - 14587 points

For comparison, the original GPU that has been sold with my brother's complete PC back in the day: X800 GTO.
similar GPU card, Benchmark 3Dmark03 in review, (test system A64 4000+)
ATi Radeon X800 - 9054 points

About the soundcard:
The Audigy 2 ZS is a good choice. Have the same card installed. Have tried a X-fi card, but is not working with my nforce4 platform.

melbar wrote on 2024-10-24, 05:19:

The radeon 9600Xt is a nice VGA card. But for an Athlon64 based system, it is a little too week. […]
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The radeon 9600Xt is a nice VGA card.
But for an Athlon64 based system, it is a little too week.

Benchmark 3Dmark03 in review, (test system P4 C 3,0GHz)
Asus Radeon 9600 XT - 3922 points.
Sapphire Atlantis Radeon 9600 XT Fireblade Edition - 4177 points.

There is a GPU bottleneck.

For example my Geforce 7800 GT.
Benchmark 3Dmark03 in review, (test system A64 4000+)
nVidia GeForce 7800 GT - 14587 points

For comparison, the original GPU that has been sold with my brother's complete PC back in the day: X800 GTO.
similar GPU card, Benchmark 3Dmark03 in review, (test system A64 4000+)
ATi Radeon X800 - 9054 points

About the soundcard:
The Audigy 2 ZS is a good choice. Have the same card installed. Have tried a X-fi card, but is not working with my nforce4 platform.

I tought about Radeon X700 Pro AGP, it has GDDR3 version, only but is, it is not native agp card and combapility and availability is questionable. Mostly i see PCI-E versions, same goes with X800 AGP, that i have in PCI-E form. I have HD3450 AGP, with it i can forget about Win9x. I wanted Quadro FX 500 first, its more bottelneck, FX Win9x is better supported than Radeon 9600XT, with Multiple OS and XP, 9600XT (Catalyst 7.11 is good choise). 7600GT AGP i do not have, i have PCI-E version again.

Only faster graphics card that i have with Win9x and AGP is Geforce 6800GX.
https://www.gpuzoo.com/Compare/NVIDIA_GeForce … eForce_6800_GX/

I test 6800GX 128MB out and see, what it gives, pluss side is, its supports h264/bluray and i can downclock it, if its a bit fast for this system. I have 2 day tiny vacation, 6800GX needs to wait its turn, at least i know the card is working, it gets thermal paste change and cleaning first.

One X-fi i have, those cards are not supported under Win9x, can use integrated in Win9x and added card in XP. I have more Audigy 2 ZS value edition, VXD drivers work, here maybe better to use Audigy 2 ZS SB0350 or SB0360.

Edit: Made small mistake, Geforce 6800 130nm cards do not support h264/bluray acceleration, but Geforce 6200 AGP, 6600LE AGP,6600 AGP, 6600GT AGP, 7600GS AGP, 7800GS AGP does, they should fit well if hardware acceleration wanted. Added PureVideo Comparison pdf here. I would add Geforce 7600GS more than 6800GX inside this Socket 754 PC build. 7600GS 80nm (27w) has better power consumption than Geforce 6600GT 110nm (47w) and 7600GS is also bit faster than 6600GT. Both cards should be fast and good. Anybody know how to get Win9x DXVA working with Geforce 6/7, is it even possible or for that we neet NT OS? NT based (W2K/XP) DXVA is easy.

Edit2: New hard drive WD AV Green 500GB WD5000AUDX 3.5" HDD (i hope it works and works with sata dma/ide mode).
This SATAHDD is detected as UDMA133 ATA-8, installing W9x again. HDD is now silent,that i like. Hope it has performance .
https://products.wdc.com/library/SpecSheet/EN … 2879-701250.pdf

Average power requirements (W)
Read/Write 3.7
Idle 2.6
Standby and Sleep 0.4

Acoustics (dBA)
Idle 21
Seek (average) 22

Audigy2 SB0350 went in, Whats the differnce with CA0102-ICT vs CA0102-ICT LF chips?
I have Audigy2 SB0350 (ZS) with CA0102-ICT LF, its similar, like soundcard picture above.