Recently, i installed gotek fdd and when i putted usb flash drive gotek fallen to hdd (due to my stupid fault) and now its making "scratching" or more likely sound when cd rom starting to spin disc (this sound appears only on start up and shutdown). No bad sectors
Sorry. Maybe your drive will live but as you say, it doesn't sound right.
Make a backup while you can!
tauro wrote on 2024-11-03, 16:48:Sorry. Maybe your drive will live but as you say, it doesn't sound right.
Make a backup while you can!
I really dont want to lose it so can i disassemble it? (have an experience, risky because of dust)
Correction: When i put usb flash drive, gotek was unscrewed and layed on hdd so i applied an force to put USB, hdd reseted (reinit) and now i have this sound after that
I would first make a backup (if you care about the data at all).
Then, if you want to "try something"... go ahead but I don't think you can fix whatever you already destroyed. If the impact was very strong, you may have bent the metal that goes on top of the HDD. Maybe that's it, I don't think so, man.
daniil1909 wrote on 2024-11-04, 01:01:I really dont want to lose it so can i disassemble it? (have an experience, risky because of dust)
Tricky, normally you would want a "clean room" - but I have disassembled a couple of drives over the years (I don't have a clean room),
and making sure the area(&me) was clear of dust etc. managed to not kill the drives
** Most impressive story was I had a 3.25 IDE that wouldn't spin up - taking it apart the heads were "stuck" to a very fine bit of corrosion
on one of the platters... wasn't trying to recover data, just wanted to look inside the drive and see what happened, then decided to see if I
could "make it better". I managed to free the head, clean it, polish the platter - after reassembling the drive, I gave it a clean format - NO
ERRORS*** - Trying to see "how long it would last" I put it in a non-critical system where it ran for a few years before the system got taken
out of service. - but don't expect this to be a common result!
*** There likely were some errors, but drive internal firmware is often "smart" enough to re-map bad sectors to spare good ones!
never looked into it further!
But you may not be able to identify/fix the source of the sound.
If it's working with no bad sectors, and since it only makes the sound on spinup/down, there's a good chance that
what's making the noise isn't contacting during operation ... If it contains data you care about, I'd make a full backup
NOW (before problems start showing up) - once you have the data saved, you can try whatever you want with the drive!
(and good luck)
Dave ::: https://dunfield.themindfactory.com ::: "Daves Old Computers"->Personal
Dave ::: https://dunfield.themindfactory.com ::: "Daves Old Computers"->Personal
DaveDDS wrote on 2024-11-04, 02:40:Tricky, normally you would want a "clean room" - but I have disassembled a couple of drives over the years (I don't have a clean […]
daniil1909 wrote on 2024-11-04, 01:01:I really dont want to lose it so can i disassemble it? (have an experience, risky because of dust)
Tricky, normally you would want a "clean room" - but I have disassembled a couple of drives over the years (I don't have a clean room),
and making sure the area(&me) was clear of dust etc. managed to not kill the drives** Most impressive story was I had a 3.25 IDE that wouldn't spin up - taking it apart the heads were "stuck" to a very fine bit of corrosion
on one of the platters... wasn't trying to recover data, just wanted to look inside the drive and see what happened, then decided to see if I
could "make it better". I managed to free the head, clean it, polish the platter - after reassembling the drive, I gave it a clean format - NO
ERRORS*** - Trying to see "how long it would last" I put it in a non-critical system where it ran for a few years before the system got taken
out of service. - but don't expect this to be a common result!
*** There likely were some errors, but drive internal firmware is often "smart" enough to re-map bad sectors to spare good ones!
never looked into it further!But you may not be able to identify/fix the source of the sound.
If it's working with no bad sectors, and since it only makes the sound on spinup/down, there's a good chance that
what's making the noise isn't contacting during operation ... If it contains data you care about, I'd make a full backup
NOW (before problems start showing up) - once you have the data saved, you can try whatever you want with the drive!
(and good luck)Dave ::: https://dunfield.themindfactory.com ::: "Daves Old Computers"->Personal
What can produce that sound? I didnt applied so big force to lid (i applied force like force when insert an usb)
daniil1909 wrote on 2024-11-04, 02:55:What can produce that sound? I didnt applied so big force to lid (i applied force like force when insert an usb)
Hard to say without "looking inside" internals of HD's are a weird mix of "mostly the same" but
parts very different. Since it happens only at spinup/down, I'd suspect that one of the heads is shifted *very* slightly
and may not land quite properly... as heads "fly" during operation there would be no contact.
If this is the case, and you are "lucky" this may be so slight that it doesn't score the media...
but if you can hear it, it's likely causing some minor scoring and may (if left long enough) damage it to
the point where you begin to see read/write errors... But can't really tell without seeing inside the drive
(and even then probably wouldn't be able to tell - not until visible scoring starts to occur).
[It can take surprisingly little physical shock to damage an HD when things are "exactly wrong"]
Dave ::: https://dunfield.themindfactory.com ::: "Daves Old Computers"->Personal
Dave ::: https://dunfield.themindfactory.com ::: "Daves Old Computers"->Personal
Now it resets even when running
daniil1909 wrote on 2024-11-04, 04:22:Now it resets even when running
Can't say for sure not seeing inside it - but most likely it's damaging itself a little more every time you hear the
noise - not sure what you mean by "resets" - do you mean system(OS) restarts? That would mean some critical
sectors(s) have been damaged.
You may be able to put it into a second system as a non-system drive and recover what you can from it (depends on what sectors have been damaged)
Probably worth looking into what software is available to do sector level recovery from a drive!
Keep in mind that EVERY time you spin it up/down it's probably damaging itself more, so get everything ready and do this only once.
Good luck!
Dave ::: https://dunfield.themindfactory.com ::: "Daves Old Computers"->Personal
Dave ::: https://dunfield.themindfactory.com ::: "Daves Old Computers"->Personal
daniil1909 wrote on 2024-11-03, 12:48:Recently, i installed gotek fdd and when i putted usb flash drive gotek fallen to hdd (due to my stupid fault) and now its making "scratching" or more likely sound when cd rom starting to spin disc (this sound appears only on start up and shutdown). No bad sectors
if it has important data back it up immediately, you've basically half killed it, i did the same with a 2tb hdd, a metal audio switch i had fell off a shelf onto my external hdd caddy which was also metal, the 2tb drive started making ticking noises, i unplugged it, when i plugged it back in it asked me to format it, i cancelled as i was planning to recover everything with R-studio software, when i plugged it back in my pc wouldnt even detect it, i plugged it inside my pc and it wouldnt even detect it in the bios, turned out to be completely dead, i then opened the hdd up which you should never do, basically i lost all my important files from the last 20years which was hard to take, i went off computers for a while after that. what made it worse is i bought another 2tb started transfering files from my computer, a dodgy sata connector caused power to cut in and out and it corrupted the drive and i lost more precious files, best to make a backup of your hdd then make a backup of that.🤣
Before jumping the gun here and taking things apart, let's slow down a bit and analyze what the problem could be.
First and foremost, pull the SMART log from the HDD and post it here (screenshot or text form... whatever.) If unable to do that due to unstable system... then yeah, something may be screwed. But I doubt it.
If nothing appears wrong in the SMART, check to see if the noise you're hearing isn't some vibration from the case after the Gotek drive fell. I can't tell you how many times I've had a jump scare, thinking either my HDD was dying or there was an electrical short somewhere, or other similar doomsday scenario... only to find out it was either the HDD or the ODD (with a CD/DVD spooling inside) that caused a vibration that sounded like something was awfully wrong.
Only if it's none of these things and the HDD really appears to be making the noises (even in another PC or when powered up separately from a power supply with nothing else), then you may consider to try something with it. But even then, there's not much you can really do to fix that. If it's gone, it's gone... and if it's not, then it's not. Check the SMART logs and backup your data if you see anything even remotely suspicious in there.
Note that a few bad sectors may or may not be anything to worry about, depending on the HDD and if those bad sectors are old and not increasing.
momaka wrote on 2024-11-04, 22:46:Before jumping the gun here and taking things apart, let's slow down a bit and analyze what the problem could be. […]
Before jumping the gun here and taking things apart, let's slow down a bit and analyze what the problem could be.
First and foremost, pull the SMART log from the HDD and post it here (screenshot or text form... whatever.) If unable to do that due to unstable system... then yeah, something may be screwed. But I doubt it.
If nothing appears wrong in the SMART, check to see if the noise you're hearing isn't some vibration from the case after the Gotek drive fell. I can't tell you how many times I've had a jump scare, thinking either my HDD was dying or there was an electrical short somewhere, or other similar doomsday scenario... only to find out it was either the HDD or the ODD (with a CD/DVD spooling inside) that caused a vibration that sounded like something was awfully wrong.Only if it's none of these things and the HDD really appears to be making the noises (even in another PC or when powered up separately from a power supply with nothing else), then you may consider to try something with it. But even then, there's not much you can really do to fix that. If it's gone, it's gone... and if it's not, then it's not. Check the SMART logs and backup your data if you see anything even remotely suspicious in there.
Note that a few bad sectors may or may not be anything to worry about, depending on the HDD and if those bad sectors are old and not increasing.
Cant get smart, hdd too old (quantum pro drive lps from 1992)
DaveDDS wrote on 2024-11-04, 11:59:Can't say for sure not seeing inside it - but most likely it's damaging itself a little more every time you hear the noise - not […]
daniil1909 wrote on 2024-11-04, 04:22:Now it resets even when running
Can't say for sure not seeing inside it - but most likely it's damaging itself a little more every time you hear the
noise - not sure what you mean by "resets" - do you mean system(OS) restarts? That would mean some critical
sectors(s) have been damaged.You may be able to put it into a second system as a non-system drive and recover what you can from it (depends on what sectors have been damaged)
Probably worth looking into what software is available to do sector level recovery from a drive!Keep in mind that EVERY time you spin it up/down it's probably damaging itself more, so get everything ready and do this only once.
Good luck!
Dave ::: https://dunfield.themindfactory.com ::: "Daves Old Computers"->Personal
I mean, hard drive reinitialized
DudeFace wrote on 2024-11-04, 12:31:daniil1909 wrote on 2024-11-03, 12:48:Recently, i installed gotek fdd and when i putted usb flash drive gotek fallen to hdd (due to my stupid fault) and now its making "scratching" or more likely sound when cd rom starting to spin disc (this sound appears only on start up and shutdown). No bad sectors
if it has important data back it up immediately, you've basically half killed it, i did the same with a 2tb hdd, a metal audio switch i had fell off a shelf onto my external hdd caddy which was also metal, the 2tb drive started making ticking noises, i unplugged it, when i plugged it back in it asked me to format it, i cancelled as i was planning to recover everything with R-studio software, when i plugged it back in my pc wouldnt even detect it, i plugged it inside my pc and it wouldnt even detect it in the bios, turned out to be completely dead, i then opened the hdd up which you should never do, basically i lost all my important files from the last 20years which was hard to take, i went off computers for a while after that. what made it worse is i bought another 2tb started transfering files from my computer, a dodgy sata connector caused power to cut in and out and it corrupted the drive and i lost more precious files, best to make a backup of your hdd then make a backup of that.🤣
It isnt sound like scratch more than some soft material like inner pillow (hdds have inner pillow that prevents vibrations) so i dont think its an scratch and its located on top of those hdd disks ( sounds like an soft material located near disks and sometimes blocking motor spinning).
