Robbbert wrote on 2024-11-29, 12:00:

Then, I visited the above blood patches site and applied the patch - this appears to have replaced the original bugs with new bugs (oh well). The main new bug is the game running out of memory when a cutscene is about to start, which wasn't an issue before (only happens in Dosbox - 98SE is fine).

Yes, I also read that Blood seems to be a very buggy game (I don't own a copy myself). There are several unofficial fixes and even builds, take a look at https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Blood.

Robbbert wrote on 2024-11-29, 12:00:

Also, the patch invalidates all your game saves - they won't work any more.

This is not Blood specific, game saves often get invalid by updating a game with the latest patch - in most cases this is mentioned in the readme(.txt) and/or the changelog(.txt) of the patch. Personally I always try to add a readme/changelog file to the game patches which I make available on my website under https://soggi.org/misc/3dfx-voodoo-game-patches.htm and https://soggi.org/misc/game-patches.htm.

DustyShinigami wrote on 2024-11-29, 13:12:

That site mentions at the top that if I have the European version, I shouldn’t apply any of those patches.

Yes, I know. Do you? I don't know which version you've got. I forgot to mention it explicitly, sorry.

DustyShinigami wrote on 2024-11-29, 17:31:

...which I didn’t realise before, is that music plays during gameplay. With the CD image file, it doesn’t. And with the actual CD, the game runs perfectly fine. With the CD image - it’s an unresponsive slideshow.

DustyShinigami wrote on 2024-11-29, 18:55:

I’m using Daemon Tools and Alcohol 120%.

Eeeyyy....you didn't say that in the start post, this is very important and obviously the reason of the problems! OK, if the different drive letters aren't the problem, then I guess it's the virtual ODD software in general. DAEMON Tools and Alcohol 120% are Windows programs which are using Windows drivers to provide the virtual ODDs. When you start Blood then it jumps into DOS mode which - I think - occupies all system resources and doesn't have a driver for the virtual ODD. So everything runs really slow because needed stuff gets <1% processor time.

Can somebody confirm or contradict my theory!? At the moment I don't have the possibility to test it myself.

kind regards
soggi

soggi wrote on 2024-11-30, 04:13:

Yes; I know. Do you? I don't know which version you've got. I forgot to mention it explicitly, sorry.

Yes, I know. It’s the European/UK copy. It says it’s 1.0 when you run the setup wizard to install. 😀

soggi wrote on 2024-11-30, 04:13:

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Eeeyyy....you didn't say that in the start post, this is very important and obviously the reason of the problems! OK, if the different drive letters aren't the problem, then I guess it's the virtual ODD software in general. DAEMON Tools and Alcohol 120% are Windows programs which are using Windows drivers to provide the virtual ODDs. When you start Blood then it jumps into DOS mode which - I think - occupies all system resources and doesn't have a driver for the virtual ODD. So everything runs really slow because needed stuff gets <1% processor time.

Can somebody confirm or contradict my theory!? At the moment I don't have the possibility to test it myself.

kind regards
soggi

Do you mean my original post…? I only discovered the reason for the weird performance yesterday. 😅 Otherwise - fair enough.

Ah-ha. That theory would certainly make sense. But if the drive letters aren’t the problem, what would be the solution? I mean, no CD music plays in GLQuake and WinQuake and those aren’t DOS versions.

At least thanks to another issue I’m trying to investigate, it’s allowed me to disconnect my D drive, so I’ve set my mounted drive to D and my physical CD drive to E.

EDIT: Okay, scratch that. Connecting it back up has set it back to D again. 😕

The problem looks to have been fixed! 😃 I thought I’d already tried it, but I guess not. Unless disconnecting my D drive and reconnecting it kicked something into touch. I loaded the .bin file version of the CD and the music is playing! No weird slowdowns. 😊

OK, so the problems were not caused by the virtual ODD software itself (together with DOS mode) rather then just the common drive letter issue!?

kind regards
soggi

soggi wrote on 2024-12-01, 09:09:

OK, so the problems were not caused by the virtual ODD software itself (together with DOS mode) rather then just the common drive letter issue!?

kind regards
soggi

I think it was more to do with the image file type. I’d been using .mds and .iso previously, but I re-created it as a .bin image and that seemed to do the trick.

OK, yeah...BIN/CUE seems to be the best/most compatible variant of creating images.

kind regards
soggi

Sadly, it’s not doing much for Quake though. 😕 I’ve tried .mds, .bin, .cue, .iso (I think), and .ccd (image/sub)…? Still don’t get any music. I even tried re-installing the game in DOS and re-setting up GLQuake.

soggi wrote on 2024-11-30, 04:13:

Robbbert wrote on 2024-11-29, 12:00:

Then, I visited the above blood patches site and applied the patch - this appears to have replaced the original bugs with new bugs (oh well). The main new bug is the game running out of memory when a cutscene is about to start, which wasn't an issue before (only happens in Dosbox - 98SE is fine).

Yes, I also read that Blood seems to be a very buggy game (I don't own a copy myself).

If you're interested, my list of bugs and other Blood info: http://messui.polygonal-moogle.com/cheats/341.html

I had a look on it (read the very most of it), good work. 😀

kind regards
soggi