Shponglefan wrote on 2025-03-02, 16:48:

You're not the first person to get chastised for posting style here. […]
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Sabina_16bit. wrote on 2025-03-02, 12:23:

So the hatred may be caused by non-formal way of writing,is Your opininon,that if I will write as if this was a newspaper,he will not hate me?

You're not the first person to get chastised for posting style here.

All internet forums tend to have unwritten norms in terms of posting style, behaviors, etc. It can take time to learn these things as a new user.

One of my first posts on VOGONS, I got chastised for posting in the wrong subforum. The key is not to take it personally, learn from it and move on.

But the original attack did not contained anything,from which You could learn.
Problem is,every forum has other unwritten rules & as they r unwritten,admins can change them every second & till a new user figure out everything, he/she/ze is deleted...
Mostly the strongest unwritten rule is,Your thinking must not differ too much from admins' thinking,otherwise prepare for the fire like from that unkillable huge robot in Keen 5...
But in Keen 5 I can press A+2+Enter,then F10+G...& take sprites just from behind of that robot...
BTW I love Aliens with so many eyes,what is that in Your profile photo from?

Sabina_16bit. wrote on 2025-03-02, 17:20:

The lack of Start button on IBM ThinkPads is,what I really like,when I am playing DOS games on Win32,You sure know,why.

Yes, absolutely. I suppose if gaming is the primary usage, a Windows key can be a nuisance. However, laptop keyboards are generally inadequate for serious gaming anyways. I like external keyboards where it is possible to temporary disable the Windows key with a hardware switch.

Sabina_16bit. wrote on 2025-03-02, 17:20:

On the other hand it is not very practical to not have Ctrl in lower left corner,because most of us is pressing it instinctively & await it there,so the unusual placement of Ctrl may get You into a pit...

I have no idea how and why it happened, but I am completely used to having Ctrl to the right of Fn on a laptop keyboard, while expecting it at the far left on a desktop keyboard. I never get mixed up! I suppose it is some conditional engraving that occurred because all my laptops (including the Compaq Evo N610c) had Fn to the left of Ctrl.

'Why am i getting silenced by admins'

also

Writes multiple essays completely unrelated to the question asked in the first place putting people in boxes for no reason and calling people every name in the book.
Seek help for gods sake instead of blaming everyone else.

dr_st wrote on 2025-03-02, 21:19:

Yes, absolutely. I suppose if gaming is the primary usage, a Windows key can be a nuisance. However, laptop keyboards are generally inadequate for serious gaming anyways. I like external keyboards where it is possible to temporary disable the Windows key with a hardware switch.
I have no idea how and why it happened, but I am completely used to having Ctrl to the right of Fn on a laptop keyboard, while expecting it at the far left on a desktop keyboard. I never get mixed up! I suppose it is some conditional engraving that occurred because all my laptops (including the Compaq Evo N610c) had Fn to the left of Ctrl.

For DOS gaming & most of Win16/Win32 gaming for me such laptop keyboards r sufficient.
I never met such a keyboard with HW switch for Windows key,these are new,or did I missed something?
For DOS gaming on Win32 quite useful.
That is,why,U are OK with it,if You have it the same on all Your laptops,it is clear.
I have it only on ThinkPads,on all others I have Ctrl in that corner,but not so bad.
On the other hand,it helps to turn on the light on the lid in total darkness & that little LED on ThinkPads' lids r quite cool & I love it very much.

Sabina, people here couldn't care less about your gender, 0%. Most of your replies are related to topics that we avoid like the plague because they are what makes a forum die. Don't speculate and if you have real proof of what you allegate, please, do message another mod/admin to talk about it, because, if it is the case, it is a serious matter and has to be addressed adequately. All this is IMO.

Maybe start using plain words and better formatting (I do suck at it too and make mistakes all the time even). I don't care that much personally, but it was a bit hard to read along.
Reader-friendly ain't bad over here as many are old chaps in dire need of those Nexus-series eyes.
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Thinkpads are good. Also some Dells, a few screws and it's upgrade festival.

To me what's appealing is the ease of service, i.e. open and replace/upgrade stuff.
Some laptops are sudoku nightmares to open and replace the most obvious: hdd, ram, cpu...

Like Intel486dx33, I've learnt that enterprise models are better than consumer. I started to look for those, like aluminium chassis.
I also check on YT/internet if a model is easy to open.

Apple G3 to early C2D (square ones) are design beauties IMHO. Also Macbook unibody. Note that I'm not an Apple fan, just like the design.
Dell had some nice, but heavy, good one around 2007-10.

The ultra thin we have today ain't my cup of tea, even if they have other advantages (undoubtedly).

S95Sedan wrote on 2025-03-02, 23:24:

'Why am i getting silenced by admins'

also

Writes multiple essays completely unrelated to the question asked in the first place

Like this Your post?

& about putting in the boxes...they did that to me 1st & they put me in quite worst boxes ever(troll,AI,dataminer...) without any proofs-false accussing is crime in some countries...

@Sabina_16bit just noting that writing in more or less standard English makes it easier for readers to read your posts, especially because they're long.

I always loved the butterfly, I don't know how practical it is or how rugged the butterfly system is.

Sabina_16bit. wrote on 2025-03-03, 00:23:

S95Sedan wrote on 2025-03-02, 23:24:

'Why am i getting silenced by admins'

also

Writes multiple essays completely unrelated to the question asked in the first place

Like this Your post?

& about putting in the boxes...they did that to me 1st & they put me in quite worst boxes ever(troll,AI,dataminer...) without any proofs-false accussing is crime in some countries...

Your second post in this topic (as i didn't even read your history until now), thats what i was refering to as nonsensical essays.
Completely pointless and its not doing you a favour at all, saying things like that can have consequences and doesn't belong on a technical forum.

After reading some of your post/topic history i totally understand why you were called out for it, because most if not all the topics you made are the same effortless low tier garbage essays.
And yes everyone communicates differently but put some pride in what you put down.

Nothing personal by the way, just stating how i see it.
I'm not intending to respond to this further, do with it what you will.

(Edit: Mods feel free to remove this if this topic ever gets to something constructive)

The IBM Thinkpad is a Great Business Machine.
Setting the Standard.

But the title of this posts reads “Most Beautiful”

Socket3 wrote on 2025-03-02, 13:25:

HP Pavillion ZD series (ZD7000, ZD8000)

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looks every part the 2000's powerhouse "desktop replacement", great example 😀

Dell Studio XP 16. I had one. Technically I still do, though the keyboard stopped working. Leather trim, high quality screen (though glossy) and Slot loading blu-ray player.

https://www.cnet.com/tech/tech-industry/hands … tudio-xps-1640/

Sabina_16bit. wrote on 2025-03-03, 00:14:

For DOS gaming & most of Win16/Win32 gaming for me such laptop keyboards r sufficient.

That will depend on which games you play. They only have 2 key rollover, for the most part, so even 3-key combos may not work (some do). The lack of a numpad is a downside to me, because of the control schemes I use.

Sabina_16bit. wrote on 2025-03-03, 00:14:

I never met such a keyboard with HW switch for Windows key,these are new,or did I missed something?

It's a feature on many gaming-oriented desktop keyboards. My Lenovo Legion K500 has this, for example. There are others, but I do not have a list. It is also possible to disable it temporary via some software tools, like WinKill.

Intel486dx33 wrote on 2025-03-03, 15:57:

The IBM Thinkpad is a Great Business Machine.
Setting the Standard.

But the title of this posts read “Most Beautiful”

Absolutely amazing!

dr_st wrote on 2025-03-03, 17:04:

That will depend on which games you play. They only have 2 key rollover, for the most part, so even 3-key combos may not work (s […]
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Sabina_16bit. wrote on 2025-03-03, 00:14:

For DOS gaming & most of Win16/Win32 gaming for me such laptop keyboards r sufficient.

That will depend on which games you play. They only have 2 key rollover, for the most part, so even 3-key combos may not work (some do). The lack of a numpad is a downside to me, because of the control schemes I use.

Sabina_16bit. wrote on 2025-03-03, 00:14:

I never met such a keyboard with HW switch for Windows key,these are new,or did I missed something?

It's a feature on many gaming-oriented desktop keyboards. My Lenovo Legion K500 has this, for example. There are others, but I do not have a list. It is also possible to disable it temporary via some software tools, like WinKill.

Interesting.
For the games,I do play most on ThinkPads: SimCity 4 DeLuxe mostly of Win32,true,I only need double combo of Ctrl+X there,
Practically everything Win16 r games controlled by mouse or arrows only & of DOS games mostly Commander Keen & other Id/Apogee stuff,no problem with A+2+Enter.
Lack of num pad is very bad for writing in other languages than English,because then I have diacritics in place of numbers & numbers r only via Shift,which is so uncomfortable,that for writing I connect external keyboard or external num pad,but as I mostly write everything English, I can go without it.

Sabina_16bit. wrote on 2025-03-04, 02:42:

Lack of num pad is very bad for writing in other languages than English,because then I have diacritics in place of numbers & numbers r only via Shift,which is so uncomfortable,that for writing I connect external keyboard or external num pad,but as I mostly write everything English, I can go without it.

There was an external numpad option for old (~Y2K) Thinkpad Ultrabays.
I installed one in an A31p.

But it looks better in T series, where the Ultrabay is towards the back, and in line with the keyboard:

It is not perfect from user experience perspective, though, because if you want to use it as a numpad, by turning Numlock on, it also activates the numpad on the main keyboard, so the letters on the right start working as numbers as well. I didn't find a way to have it independent from main keyboard numlock (for full external keyboards this option exists in the BIOS).

Asus L7300 or L7200 in its splendor

Oh yeah!
(Chicka chickaaaa)

dr_st wrote on 2025-03-04, 09:45:

There was an external numpad option for old (~Y2K) Thinkpad Ultrabays. I installed one in an A31p. https://u.cubeupload.com/dr_ […]
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Sabina_16bit. wrote on 2025-03-04, 02:42:

Lack of num pad is very bad for writing in other languages than English,because then I have diacritics in place of numbers & numbers r only via Shift,which is so uncomfortable,that for writing I connect external keyboard or external num pad,but as I mostly write everything English, I can go without it.

There was an external numpad option for old (~Y2K) Thinkpad Ultrabays.
I installed one in an A31p.

But it looks better in T series, where the Ultrabay is towards the back, and in line with the keyboard:

It is not perfect from user experience perspective, though, because if you want to use it as a numpad, by turning Numlock on, it also activates the numpad on the main keyboard, so the letters on the right start working as numbers as well. I didn't find a way to have it independent from main keyboard numlock (for full external keyboards this option exists in the BIOS).

Beautiful... but that is all,as U wrote,activating internal num lock too is a quite downside,same as ODD or 2nd HDD or 2nd battery is much useful way to use the ultrabay.
External USB num pads has @ least in half cases built in function to activate their num lock separately from main keyboard.
I also have 1 PS/2 external num pad.That has no internal num lock correction,its behavior depends on the BIOS of the laptop.
Not usable with old Siemens Nixdorf laptops,as they have no possibility of simultaneous usage of external & intenal keyboard, when it boots with external keyboard connected,it disables internal keyboard.

I'm not sure I can think of any vintage laptops I think looked really good. I guess the late PowerBook G3s (Lombard/Pismo) and early PowerBook G4s (Titanium with Apple Garmond bezel)?