UCyborg wrote on 2025-05-05, 22:14:

Who needs official support anyway? Things work 'till they work then when your favorite stuff starts throwing missing API errors or glitching, then you consider a change of OS.

This is me in a nutshell.

Some people worry about security. I say ... 3rd party software + hardware + don't do anything silly = security not a problem. 😀

Jo22 wrote on 2025-05-10, 06:08:

Oh no! Please don't! That sounds like a horror scenario, like a dystopia. 😰 Imagine it was the 90s and someone had said same thi […]
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But I was listening to someone speak about what his prediction is, and he says what's likely going to happen is MS and Apple are moving to walled-in cloud/gadgets,
and that Linux will be the sole survivor for the desktop environment.
So Linux will be the last man standing winner of the traditional desktop OS, because everyone else moved on.

Oh no! Please don't! That sounds like a horror scenario, like a dystopia. 😰
Imagine it was the 90s and someone had said same thing about MS!
No offense, but Linux as a monopoly would be a nightmare.
It would end binary compatibility, backwards compatibility etc.
If that day will eventually come, I'd rather move out into the wild and give up computing altogether.

No one should have that much power and influence alone.
I'd rather wish to see BSD, Minix 3 and Haiku gain more ground.
Or any of those Unix systems used in automation, industry etc. Things similar to QNX or L4.
A diverse, a heterogeneous landscape is good.

Linux has the disadvantage that it has a cult following, it's like a religion to some.
As long as it's in the "opposition" and challenging the other parties (big tech companies), it's fine. That's were it does belong to.
It shouldn't become the lone leader, though. IMHO.
The people working on it are mentally unstable nerds and have narcistic traits, I'm afraid.

*BSD, Minix 3, Haiku use permissive licensing which big corporations arent required to reciprocate the source code availability. Linux requires reciprocation meaning that some big corp like microsoft is going to contribute more code to linux rather than *BSD because the license gives them teeth to enforce the reciprocal terms. If anything if Microsoft decides to open up say Windows 95, they likely will do it under a reciprocal license. They opened up DOS under the MIT but who cares about a 40 year old OS. Its the gui that is the most prized that microsoft will never open.

BEEN_Nath_58 wrote on 2025-05-09, 12:22:

badmojo wrote on 2025-05-08, 22:53:

Umm twiz11... are you an AI?

I have been observing the user: some of the posts look completely normal as an user like their Syberia GOG issue, however the language looks extra refined. It may be possible they are using a translator as well?

i have been using my phone microphone talk to text feature in conjunction with grammarly so when im in bed i can talk my comments.

twiz11 wrote on 2025-05-10, 16:07:

BEEN_Nath_58 wrote on 2025-05-09, 12:22:

badmojo wrote on 2025-05-08, 22:53:

Umm twiz11... are you an AI?

I have been observing the user: some of the posts look completely normal as an user like their Syberia GOG issue, however the language looks extra refined. It may be possible they are using a translator as well?

i have been using my phone microphone talk to text feature in conjunction with grammarly so when im in bed i can talk my comments.

Will you explain that word salad you posted earlier? Were you high on crack?

feda wrote on 2025-05-11, 08:44:

twiz11 wrote on 2025-05-10, 16:07:

BEEN_Nath_58 wrote on 2025-05-09, 12:22:

I have been observing the user: some of the posts look completely normal as an user like their Syberia GOG issue, however the language looks extra refined. It may be possible they are using a translator as well?

i have been using my phone microphone talk to text feature in conjunction with grammarly so when im in bed i can talk my comments.

Will you explain that word salad you posted earlier? Were you high on crack?

the word salad is me learning about new words and trying to increase my vocab rather than use filler words. I couldnt sleep so i was using dictation and an interpreter to get across the urgency of the end of windows 10 and the possibility of moving to other OSes.

They forced Windows 11 on me at work because the support is ending. I mean,. what do they think is really going to happen. especially overnight?

ncmark wrote on 2025-05-12, 19:05:

They forced Windows 11 on me at work because the support is ending. I mean,. what do they think is really going to happen. especially overnight?

you can try convincing your superiors to move to debian. Ubuntu on those HP desktop all in ones work great. One issue is the bang and olufsen speakers popping all the time due to needing 2 amps but i plugged in regular speakers and they work, though i cant stop the popping

huh?

ncmark wrote on 2025-05-12, 20:09:

huh?

have you tried migrating to say debian bases os at work instead of windows 11?

I use a thin client that loads ubuntu from a main server in order to use scanning tools.

twiz11 wrote on 2025-05-12, 20:37:

have you tried migrating to say debian bases os at work instead of windows 11?

I use a thin client that loads ubuntu from a main server in order to use scanning tools.

Many companies, especially the big ones, will not allow you to use anything other than a pre-approved list of operating systems on your company-issued computer(s), because that's what the IT department knows how to maintain.

In most cases you won't be able to just say "I don't like this Windows, so I will replace it with this Linux distro", and still be able to connect to the company domain, mail server and other resources.

dr_st wrote on 2025-05-13, 03:38:

twiz11 wrote on 2025-05-12, 20:37:

have you tried migrating to say debian bases os at work instead of windows 11?

I use a thin client that loads ubuntu from a main server in order to use scanning tools.

Many companies, especially the big ones, will not allow you to use anything other than a pre-approved list of operating systems on your company-issued computer(s), because that's what the IT department knows how to maintain.

In most cases you won't be able to just say "I don't like this Windows, so I will replace it with this Linux distro", and still be able to connect to the company domain, mail server and other resources.

well ask if you can bring your own device or BYOD?

A "Bring Your Own Device" (BYOD) policy allows employees to use their personally owned devices for work-related activities, like accessing company networks, apps, and resources. This policy addresses the increasing prevalence of personal devices and provides employees with flexibility while potentially reducing company costs. However, it also introduces security and privacy considerations that need to be carefully managed.

Don’t use ChatGPT to fill in posts with “information”

marxveix wrote on 2025-05-07, 09:54:

Windows 10 expires 2032, you have long time before you must go with Windows 11 or 12.

This only holds true for Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC, which is mainly reserved for businesses and such. Most people can't really get access unless they are part of such an institution(?) or are willing to resort to dubious methods. For the standard user, its best to update to Winblows 11 by October of this year, or like the rest of the forum has been suggesting, move to some distro of Linux! (or pirate it LTSC... if that floats your boat, heh)

retroholicism wrote on 2025-05-13, 14:55:

This only holds true for Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC, which is mainly reserved for businesses and such. Most people can't really get access unless they are part of such an institution(?) or are willing to resort to dubious methods. For the standard user, its best to update to Winblows 11 by October of this year, or like the rest of the forum has been suggesting, move to some distro of Linux! (or pirate it LTSC... if that floats your boat, heh)

I wonder about update compatibility. For example:

• XP could get POSReady updates between 2014 and 2019 directly from WU with a simple registry key.
• Vista support ended in 2017, and you could no longer get updates via WU, but for the x64 version you could download and manually install Server 2008 updates all the way until 2023.
• Win7 support ended in 2020, ESU updates could be installed (manually or automatically) until 2023, but required a hack to block the ESU license check mechanism.

I wonder how it's going to work with Win10.

retroholicism wrote on 2025-05-13, 14:55:

marxveix wrote on 2025-05-07, 09:54:

Windows 10 expires 2032, you have long time before you must go with Windows 11 or 12.

This only holds true for Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC, which is mainly reserved for businesses and such. Most people can't really get access unless they are part of such an institution(?) or are willing to resort to dubious methods. For the standard user, its best to update to Winblows 11 by October of this year, or like the rest of the forum has been suggesting, move to some distro of Linux! (or pirate it LTSC... if that floats your boat, heh)

It’s more nuanced than that unfortunately. For completeness:

1507 Ent LTSC (including IoT) - 14 Oct 2025
1607 Ent LTSC (including IoT) - 13 Oct 2026
1809 Ent LTSC (including IoT) - 9 Jan 2029
21H2 Ent LTSC - 12 Jan 2027
21H2 IoT Ent LTSC - 13 Jan 2032

I’m fortunate enough to have access so have updated my two machines, but that’s only bought them about 20 months extra life with 21H2 Ent LTSC. Enough time to save up for replacements that will run Win11 I guess.

retroholicism wrote on 2025-05-13, 14:55:

marxveix wrote on 2025-05-07, 09:54:

Windows 10 expires 2032, you have long time before you must go with Windows 11 or 12.

This only holds true for Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC, which is mainly reserved for businesses and such. Most people can't really get access unless they are part of such an institution(?) or are willing to resort to dubious methods. For the standard user, its best to update to Winblows 11 by October of this year, or like the rest of the forum has been suggesting, move to some distro of Linux! (or pirate it LTSC... if that floats your boat, heh)

We can use even WindowsXP for internet needs and we can live without pc and internet, but its harder for some people (including me). Many already using Windows11.

There is Windows11 LTSC version that has less requirements, similar Windows10, but most are using regular Windows11. Linux is not for all workplaces and not all users.

The main thing keeping people on Windows is not actually IT departments per se, but large software companies that have longstanding monopolies on certain indispensible programs used in professional environments, and who arbitrarily refuse to port said programs to Linux, for who knows what actual reasons - maybe Microsoft is "making sure" that they never do.

Such as:
-AutoCAD
-SolidWorks
-Adobe suite
-ArcGIS
-Alteryx

These programs also typically are so complex and/or bloated that they break Wine.

Etc.

Or in blue collar work, the programs they use typically also only run on Windows - or maybe they'd run fine on Linux with Wine, but they don't have time for that.

Ask a white collar guy why he can't use Linux and the answer is going to be something like "well, _______ program that we're paying $5000/year for only supports Windows"

keenmaster486 wrote on 2025-05-13, 16:31:

The main thing keeping people on Windows is not actually IT departments per se, but large software companies that have longstand […]
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The main thing keeping people on Windows is not actually IT departments per se, but large software companies that have longstanding monopolies on certain indispensible programs used in professional environments, and who arbitrarily refuse to port said programs to Linux, for who knows what actual reasons - maybe Microsoft is "making sure" that they never do.

Such as:
-AutoCAD
-SolidWorks
-Adobe suite
-ArcGIS
-Alteryx

These programs also typically are so complex and/or bloated that they break Wine.

Etc.

Or in blue collar work, the programs they use typically also only run on Windows - or maybe they'd run fine on Linux with Wine, but they don't have time for that.

Ask a white collar guy why he can't use Linux and the answer is going to be something like "well, _______ program that we're paying $5000/year for only supports Windows"

Exactly. I daily drive Linux on all of my computers, but have had problems with such programs. I use Fusion 360 for school, and even Bottles won't configure it well enough to run.

marxveix wrote on 2025-05-13, 15:45:

retroholicism wrote on 2025-05-13, 14:55:

marxveix wrote on 2025-05-07, 09:54:

Windows 10 expires 2032, you have long time before you must go with Windows 11 or 12.

This only holds true for Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC, which is mainly reserved for businesses and such. Most people can't really get access unless they are part of such an institution(?) or are willing to resort to dubious methods. For the standard user, its best to update to Winblows 11 by October of this year, or like the rest of the forum has been suggesting, move to some distro of Linux! (or pirate it LTSC... if that floats your boat, heh)

We can use even WindowsXP for internet needs and we can live without pc and internet, but its harder for some people (including me). Many already using Windows11.

There is Windows11 LTSC version that has less requirements, similar Windows10, but most are using regular Windows11. Linux is not for all workplaces and not all users.

However, the WIndows 11 LTSC has the same issue as Windows 10 LTSC, and most users cannot access it. Windows 10 already has issues running on some devices, a lot of people cannot afford to update to a regular Windows 11 version. You state that Linux is not for all workspaces, and as some others pointed out, that is absolutely correct. Fusion 360 (in my experience) won't even run on WINE. The upcoming EoL of mainline Windows 10 may lock out a lot of users from actually being able to run the software they need.
Windows 10 will sure run in the future, but a lot of the applications will quickly drop support for it, and like in Windows XP, you will need antiviruses to use the internet somewhat safely.
I full heartedly agree, but honestly, all the propose alternative (mine, this forums, yours) may not be an option for some. Shame that Linux doesn't have mainstream enterprise support yet.

dr_st wrote on 2025-05-13, 15:19:

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retroholicism wrote on 2025-05-13, 14:55:

This only holds true for Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC, which is mainly reserved for businesses and such. Most people can't really get access unless they are part of such an institution(?) or are willing to resort to dubious methods. For the standard user, its best to update to Winblows 11 by October of this year, or like the rest of the forum has been suggesting, move to some distro of Linux! (or pirate it LTSC... if that floats your boat, heh)

I wonder about update compatibility. For example:

• XP could get POSReady updates between 2014 and 2019 directly from WU with a simple registry key.
• Vista support ended in 2017, and you could no longer get updates via WU, but for the x64 version you could download and manually install Server 2008 updates all the way until 2023.
• Win7 support ended in 2020, ESU updates could be installed (manually or automatically) until 2023, but required a hack to block the ESU license check mechanism.

I wonder how it's going to work with Win10.

Microsoft has really been doubling down on their systems lately. For example, they mandate that you create a Microsoft account for Windows 11, and they keep closing up different bypasses. I anticipate that they will block Windows 10 from accessing their servers, using registry keys, installing some form of alternative OS, or using hacks. We don't know yet, but we will know pretty soon.