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Bought these (retro) hardware today

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Reply 57100 of 57128, by bestemor

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Masterchief79 wrote on 2025-07-02, 19:23:
I didn't, it's mounted by gravity :D Should be an NHD-14 which absolutely does not fit on 478 boards of you try and mount it pro […]
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bestemor wrote on 2025-07-01, 17:07:
Masterchief79 wrote on 2025-06-29, 20:12:
Glad you like It <3 The marketing was wild. They even promoted the rounded corners of the board as a feature and designed a logo […]
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Glad you like It <3
The marketing was wild. They even promoted the rounded corners of the board as a feature and designed a logo for it. 😁

The 4800+ is average at best and tops out at about 2650MHz@1.5V. But no matter.
Last pic with my only purple GFX.

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I also scored a bundle containing a MSI 848P, 3GHz Northwood (30 cap EE reject), 2x1GB Mem, and most importantly, a working Radeon 9800XXL. The CPU had some bent pins, but I got it working again. Tops out at 3.65GHz@1.625V on my ABIT IC7G.

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How did you make that Noctua cooler fit on the 478 socket ??
Which model is it ?

I didn't, it's mounted by gravity 😁
Should be an NHD-14 which absolutely does not fit on 478 boards of you try and mount it properly.

For a quick OC Test this is always great though.

Haha! 😆

Ok, as I really did wonder about that, and looked up Noctua coolers for socket 478, and actually FOUND a SINGLE one they had, but nowhere to be found for sale:
https://ncc.noctua.at/cpus/model/Pentium-4-420

The super rare and special wonder of https://noctua.at/en/nh-u12 !

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Reply 57101 of 57128, by A001

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Many modern coolers' mounting brackets are really rather simple to modify (mutilate) to fit 478 as long as there is sufficient space around the socket. LGA115x and LGA1200 have 75mm x 75mm mounting hole spacing while S478 is 59,44mm x 76,2mm I believe. Just a few additional holes to the bracket can be all that's needed.

Reply 57102 of 57128, by Susanin79

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Bought this cool monitor: Nokia 447X092.
Unfortunately, it died right during the demonstration the seller was giving me. The picture collapsed into a single vertical, noisy, white blinking stripe, and some magic smoke appeared inside the monitor.
The seller was very kind, so I ended up taking the monitor for free. I’ll try to disassemble it, see what may have caused the issue, and attempt to repair it.

Reply 57103 of 57128, by ChrisK

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Any hopes for this one?

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Bought it already some time ago for only a handfull of coins, but put it aside right after delivery and seeing it's main feature (wasn't visible in the advertisement pics):

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Not sure how that could happen and also not how to fix it. Haven't powered it on yet but pretty sure it won't live up with a smile...

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Reply 57104 of 57128, by Trashbytes

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ChrisK wrote on Yesterday, 12:16:
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Any hopes for this one?

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Bought it already some time ago for only a handfull of coins, but put it aside right after delivery and seeing it's main feature (wasn't visible in the advertisement pics):

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Not sure how that could happen and also not how to fix it. Haven't powered it on yet but pretty sure it won't live up with a smile...

Oof that's not great, that's how you let the angry pixies out.

Reply 57105 of 57128, by PcBytes

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Oof.... pretty much RIP, unless you're inclined to reball a new one and drop it there (heck, probably an 693A would work too.)

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Reply 57106 of 57128, by ChrisK

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Yea, not sure about my microsoldering skills to reattach those traces. Well ... no.
OTOH, desoldering of such big chips from boards with huge planes isn't easy-going, too. *#!+*

Following the picture on theretroweb there must have been a heatsink. That would explain this kind of damage. Still a wild performance doing this without leaving ANY other traces of brute force.
Guess I'll put it back in it's box.

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Reply 57107 of 57128, by BitWrangler

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Susanin79 wrote on Yesterday, 11:23:

Bought this cool monitor: Nokia 447X092.
Unfortunately, it died right during the demonstration the seller was giving me. The picture collapsed into a single vertical, noisy, white blinking stripe, and some magic smoke appeared inside the monitor.
The seller was very kind, so I ended up taking the monitor for free. I’ll try to disassemble it, see what may have caused the issue, and attempt to repair it.

My wild guess would be horizontal output transistor... probably because of tired caps... so maybe a half dozen or so components to replace. Make sure anything you are assured is "equivalent" can handle the amps.

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Reply 57108 of 57128, by PcBytes

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ChrisK wrote on Yesterday, 13:12:
Yea, not sure about my microsoldering skills to reattach those traces. Well ... no. OTOH, desoldering of such big chips from boa […]
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Yea, not sure about my microsoldering skills to reattach those traces. Well ... no.
OTOH, desoldering of such big chips from boards with huge planes isn't easy-going, too. *#!+*

Following the picture on theretroweb there must have been a heatsink. That would explain this kind of damage. Still a wild performance doing this without leaving ANY other traces of brute force.
Guess I'll put it back in it's box.

What I suggested involved a reballing machine and a replacement 693A chip. No way anyone would be able to fix that chip as is.

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Reply 57109 of 57128, by Kahenraz

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I'm not sure if it broke the solder balls from beneath, but it does look like it tore the vias from above.

Reply 57110 of 57128, by luckybob

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Oh yea, you don't get that kind of ball removal without a lot of tearing.

Id use hot air to remove the chip and get a sit-rep of what's going on underneath. You might be extremely lucky and not have significant pad/via damage.

It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes.

Reply 57111 of 57128, by PD2JK

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A while back I bought an HP Kayak XU 7/550. Upon inspecting I was in for an unpleasant surprise cause there was an XA (single processor) board fitted.
I really wanted to restore the system so this unit came in. Banana P3B-F for scale.

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(retention clips where packed separately, thumbs up for the seller)

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Reply 57112 of 57128, by chrismes

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A shop on ebay Germany is currently selling these Siemens ID Mice for 11€ plus shipping. They are faulty and should have never been sold. Still, I had to have one.

Some info in German:
https://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/siemens-w … s-a-261864.html

Edit: Google translation of this page:
https://www-spiegel-de.translate.goog/netzwel … &_x_tr_pto=wapp

Mine is a version 2.0.

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Reply 57113 of 57128, by Susanin79

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BitWrangler wrote on Yesterday, 15:01:

My wild guess would be horizontal output transistor... probably because of tired caps... so maybe a half dozen or so components to replace. Make sure anything you are assured is "equivalent" can handle the amps.

Did a first visual inspection yesterday, see details here. Once the main PCB was cleaned, I found two burned resistors: R195 and R205. All other components look fine — no leaky capacitors or other visibly damaged elements. Will check the nearby transistors for sure.

Reply 57114 of 57128, by ChrisK

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PcBytes wrote on Yesterday, 18:39:
ChrisK wrote on Yesterday, 13:12:
Yea, not sure about my microsoldering skills to reattach those traces. Well ... no. OTOH, desoldering of such big chips from boa […]
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Yea, not sure about my microsoldering skills to reattach those traces. Well ... no.
OTOH, desoldering of such big chips from boards with huge planes isn't easy-going, too. *#!+*

Following the picture on theretroweb there must have been a heatsink. That would explain this kind of damage. Still a wild performance doing this without leaving ANY other traces of brute force.
Guess I'll put it back in it's box.

What I suggested involved a reballing machine and a replacement 693A chip. No way anyone would be able to fix that chip as is.

I know, I know. Just dreamin'... 😉
Do you think a 693A would be possible with regards to BIOS etc.?

The balls itself should be ok as far as can be seen. It's mainly the most upper layer of the package that was lifted.

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Reply 57115 of 57128, by Living

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ChrisK wrote on Yesterday, 12:16:
Any hopes for this one? […]
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Any hopes for this one?

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Bought it already some time ago for only a handfull of coins, but put it aside right after delivery and seeing it's main feature (wasn't visible in the advertisement pics):

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Not sure how that could happen and also not how to fix it. Haven't powered it on yet but pretty sure it won't live up with a smile...

Oh the Humanity!

Reply 57116 of 57128, by chrismes

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chrismes wrote on Today, 10:17:
A shop on ebay Germany is currently selling these Siemens ID Mice for 11€ plus shipping. They are faulty and should have never b […]
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A shop on ebay Germany is currently selling these Siemens ID Mice for 11€ plus shipping. They are faulty and should have never been sold. Still, I had to have one.

Some info in German:
https://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/siemens-w … s-a-261864.html

Edit: Google translation of this page:
https://www-spiegel-de.translate.goog/netzwel … &_x_tr_pto=wapp

Mine is a version 2.0.

I just performed a quick test on my IBM 380XD with Windows 98 SE and this thing actually works as a mouse and as a finger print sensor.

Reply 57117 of 57128, by Nexxen

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ChrisK wrote on Today, 10:51:

The balls itself should be ok as far as can be seen. It's mainly the most upper layer of the package that was lifted.

Push it down with a finger and turn it on.
Worst case it doesn't POST, best, it works only when pushed down.

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Reply 57118 of 57128, by Lostdotfish

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Bought this a few days ago for £29

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Pretty immaculate looking DFI Pentium 4 board... nice!

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Hang on a minute... what's that..?

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Reply 57119 of 57128, by chrismes

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Lostdotfish wrote on Today, 11:39:

Hang on a minute... what's that..?

PNY Verto GeForce FX 5700 Ultra?