chrismes wrote on 2025-07-04, 11:50:

Lostdotfish wrote on 2025-07-04, 11:39:

Hang on a minute... what's that..?

PNY Verto GeForce FX 5700 Ultra?

Correct. Super shiny, doesn't look like it's ever been used. Same goes for the DFI motherboard.

Scored this MSI KM4M today in a good deal, its fully working.

its got a 2500+ and 2Gb memory so itll be added to my Athlon XP collection, I think this is a KT400 chipset but only does 333FSB ...Im not well versed in the KT400 boards.

not a bad little board honestly.

Lostdotfish wrote on 2025-07-04, 11:39:

Hang on a minute... what's that..?

It's pretty mean to post images like that.
Can they be posted without the wrapper?
P.S. The FX5700ultra is not a high-performance video card, but it is certainly nice look.
Congratulations.

Another lot for this month, this time GPUs:

- Radeon HD3850 AGP
- ATI Rage FURY MAXX (yes, that 2x GPU beast from ATI 🤣)
- 2x Radeon X800AGP (one ASUS, one Sapphire) - ASUS is X800 Pro, Sapphire is X800 GT, both VIVO
- ASUS GF4 Ti4800SE
- MSI GF4 Ti4800-8X
- Geforce 6800GT
- 7900 AGP (unknown variant, looks like Gainward OEM)
- 6800GS AGP (also Gainward)
- X800 PCI-E
- 9800XXL Medion

shevalier wrote on 2025-07-04, 14:16:

https://www.vogons.org/download/file.php?id=222803&mode=view It's pretty mean to post images like that. Can they be posted witho […]
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Lostdotfish wrote on 2025-07-04, 11:39:

Hang on a minute... what's that..?

It's pretty mean to post images like that.
Can they be posted without the wrapper?
P.S. The FX5700ultra is not a high-performance video card, but it is certainly nice look.
Congratulations.

Usually have to buy me a drink before I send nudes....

Not high performance, and from a janky generation, but surprisingly quite rare these days.

Lostdotfish wrote on 2025-07-04, 15:40:

Usually have to buy me a drink before I send nudes....

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Personally, I've never had luck with the Fx5700.
Not then, and not now.
If it's fully functional, it's a great buy.
Great card...

chrismes wrote on 2025-07-04, 10:17:

A shop on ebay Germany is currently selling these Siemens ID Mice for 11€ plus shipping. They are faulty and should have never b […]
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A shop on ebay Germany is currently selling these Siemens ID Mice for 11€ plus shipping. They are faulty and should have never been sold. Still, I had to have one.

Some info in German:
https://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/siemens-w … s-a-261864.html

Edit: Google translation of this page:
https://www-spiegel-de.translate.goog/netzwel … &_x_tr_pto=wapp

Mine is a version 2.0.

Had it worked, it would've been a brilliant idea!

Trashbytes wrote on 2025-07-04, 13:04:

Scored this MSI KM4M today in a good deal, its fully working.

its got a 2500+ and 2Gb memory so itll be added to my Athlon XP collection, I think this is a KT400 chipset but only does 333FSB ...Im not well versed in the KT400 boards.

not a bad little board honestly.

Very cool! I love the look of these red Athon XP boards. It's a great foundation for a "team red" build: Athlon XP + fast ATI card + red cables, red fans, etc. : )

H3nrik V! wrote on 2025-07-04, 17:55:

chrismes wrote on 2025-07-04, 10:17:

A shop on ebay Germany is currently selling these Siemens ID Mice for 11€ plus shipping. They are faulty and should have never b […]
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A shop on ebay Germany is currently selling these Siemens ID Mice for 11€ plus shipping. They are faulty and should have never been sold. Still, I had to have one.

Some info in German:
https://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/siemens-w … s-a-261864.html

Edit: Google translation of this page:
https://www-spiegel-de.translate.goog/netzwel … &_x_tr_pto=wapp

Mine is a version 2.0.

Had it worked, it would've been a brilliant idea!

I wonder what the actual problem is, mine works fine and the Windows 98 login via finger print sensor is pretty cool. But I haven't tested the system for very long, so there might be stability issues.

ChrisK wrote on 2025-07-04, 10:51:

I know, I know. Just dreamin'... ;) Do you think a 693A would be possible with regards to BIOS etc.? […]
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PcBytes wrote on 2025-07-03, 18:39:

ChrisK wrote on 2025-07-03, 13:12:

Yea, not sure about my microsoldering skills to reattach those traces. Well ... no. OTOH, desoldering of such big chips from boa […]
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Yea, not sure about my microsoldering skills to reattach those traces. Well ... no.
OTOH, desoldering of such big chips from boards with huge planes isn't easy-going, too. *#!+*

Following the picture on theretroweb there must have been a heatsink. That would explain this kind of damage. Still a wild performance doing this without leaving ANY other traces of brute force.
Guess I'll put it back in it's box.

What I suggested involved a reballing machine and a replacement 693A chip. No way anyone would be able to fix that chip as is.

I know, I know. Just dreamin'... 😉
Do you think a 693A would be possible with regards to BIOS etc.?

The balls itself should be ok as far as can be seen. It's mainly the most upper layer of the package that was lifted.

That's not lifted.

That's the bottom of the flathead screwdriver pushing down to lever the hsf off. Crunched the corner neatly.

On the up side, the pads should be on but the chip package is toast.

myne wrote on Yesterday, 04:30:

That's not lifted. […]
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ChrisK wrote on 2025-07-04, 10:51:

I know, I know. Just dreamin'... ;) Do you think a 693A would be possible with regards to BIOS etc.? […]
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PcBytes wrote on 2025-07-03, 18:39:

What I suggested involved a reballing machine and a replacement 693A chip. No way anyone would be able to fix that chip as is.

I know, I know. Just dreamin'... 😉
Do you think a 693A would be possible with regards to BIOS etc.?

The balls itself should be ok as far as can be seen. It's mainly the most upper layer of the package that was lifted.

That's not lifted.

That's the bottom of the flathead screwdriver pushing down to lever the hsf off. Crunched the corner neatly.

On the up side, the pads should be on but the chip package is toast.

I've always wondered how much they actually get from ripping all these heat sinks off ..it cant be much unless they are doing this to thousands of motherboards every day.

Its the same argument I have with gold scrappers and their obsession with scrapping CPUs ...the cost of the CPUs, chemicals, time and other materials used to extract the tiny amount of gold is greater than the amount of cash you get back from selling that tiny lump of gold. The one I saw was scrapping a lot of 512k Pentium Pro CPUs which cost him something like 250 bucks for 10 of them, and after the scrapping he got less than 50 bucks back in gold. Just checking and here in Australia they are selling on eBay for ~100 bucks each, fuck scrapping them, I would be selling them.

So why do they bother ?

Their usual reply is because it pisses people like me off ...or I get the lame ass reply of because I want to.

To which I just shake my head, I mean its your money so go ahead and keep wasting it, the only conclusion I get from such scrappers is that they are morons.

Yeah 🤣. They forget or don't know it's plated.

All those gold pins are plated copper/brass/whatever precisely because gold is expensive. It's only used as an anti corrosion barrier - not so much because it is electrically great. If it was for that, it would be a large component of solder, and other wires.

A couple of microns of gold achieves that.

One thing would be - the market for stuff like this is extremely limited and prices like this are only created by resellers. There is no actual shortage of parts - they are just all hoarded by people trying to make a profit by selling them at stupid prices. Actually selling at this price may take more time and effort than it seems, unless the price is set sufficiently lower than average to interest resellers.

Like i see GF7950GT AGP selling on a local ebay alternative for around $500, and it has been there for at least half a year. Will someone eventually buy it? Most likely. Is that a significant income over such period of time? Most definitely not.

Scrapping, on the other hand, may produce much smaller amount of money, but much more reliably...

myne wrote on Yesterday, 05:04:

Yeah 🤣. They forget or don't know it's plated.

All those gold pins are plated copper/brass/whatever precisely because gold is expensive. It's only used as an anti corrosion barrier - not so much because it is electrically great. If it was for that, it would be a large component of solder, and other wires.

A couple of microns of gold achieves that.

The Pentium Pro socket 8 CPUs had a good bit of gold in them but to extract it requires a huge amount of work and chemicals.

Archer57 wrote on Yesterday, 05:08:

One thing would be - the market for stuff like this is extremely limited and prices like this are only created by resellers. There is no actual shortage of parts - they are just all hoarded by people trying to make a profit by selling them at stupid prices. Actually selling at this price may take more time and effort than it seems, unless the price is set sufficiently lower than average to interest resellers.

Like i see GF7950GT AGP selling on a local ebay alternative for around $500, and it has been there for at least half a year. Will someone eventually buy it? Most likely. Is that a significant income over such period of time? Most definitely not.

Scrapping, on the other hand, may produce much smaller amount of money, but much more reliably...

May is the point here, but only if you can lower the cost in both time and money of extracting the gold to below the amount of cash return you get which is almost impossible for the average scrapper since the chemicals required can be rather expensive and in a few places require government authorization to purchase/dispose of once used, then there is the cost of time you put into it ... you as an average Joe wont be making much if any profit from extracting gold from electronics.

CPUs/PCBs contain a lot of nasty heavy metals that get leached out in the gold extraction ...you don't want that shit going down the drains so that is also going to cost you to get rid of if you care about the environment at all.

I find backyard gold extraction to be a pointless expensive exercise, now if we are talking about proper industrial extraction then sure they can make bank but that's a totally difference scale of business.

Also the. .7950GT AGP is quite a rare card, not seen many of them in the wild, but 500 is expensive, perhaps they are in no rush to sell it so dont care how long it sits there.

Trashbytes wrote on Yesterday, 05:10:

myne wrote on Yesterday, 05:04:

Yeah 🤣. They forget or don't know it's plated.

All those gold pins are plated copper/brass/whatever precisely because gold is expensive. It's only used as an anti corrosion barrier - not so much because it is electrically great. If it was for that, it would be a large component of solder, and other wires.

A couple of microns of gold achieves that.

The Pentium Pro socket 8 CPUs had a good bit of gold in them but to extract it requires a huge amount of work and chemicals.

~0.35g according to random yt vid comment.
~$37usd

myne wrote on Yesterday, 05:24:

Trashbytes wrote on Yesterday, 05:10:

myne wrote on Yesterday, 05:04:

Yeah 🤣. They forget or don't know it's plated.

All those gold pins are plated copper/brass/whatever precisely because gold is expensive. It's only used as an anti corrosion barrier - not so much because it is electrically great. If it was for that, it would be a large component of solder, and other wires.

A couple of microns of gold achieves that.

The Pentium Pro socket 8 CPUs had a good bit of gold in them but to extract it requires a huge amount of work and chemicals.

~0.35g according to random yt vid comment.
~$36usd

mhm, a fair bit more than other CPUs in comparison.

Trashbytes wrote on Yesterday, 05:18:

May is the point here, but only if you can lower the cost in both time and money of extracting the gold to below the amount of cash return you get which is almost impossible for the average scrapper since the chemicals required can be rather expensive and in a few places require government authorization to purchase/dispose of once used, then there is the cost of time you put into it ... you as an average Joe wont be making much if any profit from extracting gold from electronics.

CPUs/PCBs contain a lot of nasty heavy metals that get leached out in the gold extraction ...you don't want that shit going down the drains so that is also going to cost you to get rid of if you care about the environment at all.

I find backyard gold extraction to be a pointless expensive exercise, now if we are talking about proper industrial extraction then sure they can make bank but that's a totally difference scale of business.

The reality is usually much nastier - someone doing this probably has easier access to the chemicals one way or another and in reality nobody cares about pollution/environment , money>>>>all, they'll just dump everything down the drain. Happens all the time even in more... "civilized" countries...

The same way many other things work - like whole cryptocurrency thing is usually only profitable if electricity and sometimes hardware is stolen, etc.

For a normal person, on the other hand, yes - it is not going to make sense.

Apart from that what makes sense is selling to companies which can do proper industrial extraction. And not necessarily gold only. Nothing bad about this - it is essentially recycling...

Trashbytes wrote on Yesterday, 05:18:

Also the. .7950GT AGP is quite a rare card, not seen many of them in the wild, but 500 is expensive, perhaps they are in no rush to sell it so dont care how long it sits there.

Yes, obviously. But at the same time it does absolutely nothing and does not benefit them in any way just sitting there. It'll sell eventually and $500 will seem like a good money, but it takes so long this is not really a way to earn money.

This is an interesting video I watched about gold refinement

https://youtu.be/eg1X6SKfTQo?si=oCdEWA8CXTchRhO4

Lots of nasty stuff...