Well dammit, he sold it to someone else without updating the ad! 🙁 Guess I'll have to wait till another one comes around.

Don't be too bummed out, you're not missing much.

Blavius wrote on 2022-03-16, 08:14:

and IF we don't end up with WW3

I didn't mean to be that pessimistic - just a way of saying, don't forget that any value attached to these things is utterly subjective and volatile.

Might even be something good that ruins the prices.
Like, the pandemic being officially over and people starting to spend their money on restaurants again. Imagine that 😀

Huh was looking in google for some info for ASUS Agea PI card, and saw this thread but did think is old one but naa 2022 interesting...

Just happened that i found old PC shop, and the guy seems have some old interesting stuff and there is an ASUS AGEA card it cost only 8 euro.....
Guess i will use that card in 939 build or something from that era..

That damn card cost 200+ euros in greedBAY, guess not for me...

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Blavius wrote on 2022-03-16, 08:14:

and IF we don't end up with WW3

I didn't mean to be that pessimistic - just a way of saying, don't forget that any value attached to these things is utterly subjective and volatile.

Might even be something good that ruins the prices.
Like, the pandemic being officially over and people starting to spend their money on restaurants again. Imagine that 😀

Well as some say "everything cost, as much as someone is willing to pay" and i believe in that as well... I may not pay 200$/eu for an Agea card, but someone will.. Same with the Voodoo cards some ppl spend alot of money for them, meanwhile mine costed me pocket change.... But my whole collection cost me no money, but that is for another topic....

Blavius wrote on 2022-03-15, 21:24:

I found an Ageia Physx card for sale on my local craigslist for 30 euro's. Compared to the $184 being asked on greedbay it's a steal, but I'm a bit on the fence if its even worth the 30 honestly. The list of games that support the hardware Physx cards (so, not running on a GPU) is meager, and for most of those also seem to work with the later GPU implementation.
I remember geeking out over it when it came out (2005), but as a cash strapped student I couldn't afford one. Does anyone have one of these in their retro rig? Do you get any use out of it?

Of Course !!! After all let me picture you one thing. You dont need that Agea card, BUT the thing cost like 200 euros in greedBAY. So the best thing you can do is 2 things:
1. keep the damn card and have some unique collector`s item and feel nice
2. you dont need the damn card, you sell ti instead for like 20$ cheaper then other one from AD, and with the money you search and buy something your enthusiast heart desires...

TrashPanda wrote on 2022-03-15, 23:27:

Heh I do own one myself but didn’t pay 30 euro for it, today I wouldn’t bother with it for more than 10 bucks.

well that's fun to say and all, but I don't think you can get them any cheaper anymore unless you're really really lucky :p

imi wrote on 2022-03-31, 15:10:

TrashPanda wrote on 2022-03-15, 23:27:

Heh I do own one myself but didn’t pay 30 euro for it, today I wouldn’t bother with it for more than 10 bucks.

well that's fun to say and all, but I don't think you can get them any cheaper anymore unless you're really really lucky :p

I mean if you are in the market for one then its understandable that you might be willing to pay extra for it, the market also expects this and well ...drives prices up accordingly.

I think there are some techdemos and games that work better with a real PhysX card rather than an G8x+ GPU, but those are uncommon. I think there was a list somewhere maybe on Wikipedia.

I also remember that on early driver G8x GPUs worked together with non-Nvidia GPUs as PhysX accelerators and it was later blocked.

I see the appeal and I'd get one myself for a fair price, but the cheap ones go for something like 40€. Maybe if it's am ASUS P1 in box with all accessories. Otherwise I wouldn't go above 20€. Especially for a Medion OEM card.

Ageia was a scam. Theory sounded nice and It worked in principle, aka PhD project https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physics_process … ng_unit#History offloading physics calculations to FPGA, but actual ASIC product was slower than CPU 😀

https://www.anandtech.com/show/2001/4 Faster in provided test, slower in real game.

This of course was ideal for Nvidia, they revel in scams as long as they can hamper competition. PhysX library was famously compiled to use x87 FPU when every CPU on the market had vectorized floating point units (SSE) https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2010/07/did-nv … to-spite-intel/ NVidia is very good at following the road paved by Creative and their EAX. They invent bullshit proprietary APIs and gatekeep (physX, Cuda, G-Sync, gameworks https://wccftech.com/fight-nvidias-gameworks- … program-tragic/).

In the end PhysX got relegated to generating visual garbage on the screen (particles, trash in the wind, sometimes cloth simulation). To this day afaik there are no games that just cant run/run well without hardware PhysX.

In the end it was Havok that ended Physx, why bother with a proprietary solution when Havok could do it almost as good with less performance hit and lower hardware requirements ..as an added bonus you didn't need a nVidia GPU to use Havok.

Physx hasn't been updated or touched by nVidia much at all since they bought it out, I think the last major update to it was in 2019 and it was not that big of an update but rather minor fixes and changes to make it fully compatible with modern RTX/Tensor cores, other than that it hasn't changed at all. It was honestly a wasted purchase by nVidia since Physx support in games right now is not huge, IIRC Borderland's 1/2/3 fully support it, Metro Exodus and a few others like Banner lord.

https://list.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_games_wi … d_PhysX_support

Looks like from that list a lot of Unreal Engine based games have support for it, personally I find Havok to be a better implementation of physics in games, not quite as on point as Physx but certainly good enough for games where accuracy isn't needed.

To be fair, they are probably focusing with PhysX to the professional market rather than gaming. The professional market loves proprietary crap and accurate physics simulation is more important there then in gaming.

RandomStranger wrote on 2022-04-01, 09:46:

To be fair, they are probably focusing with PhysX to the professional market rather than gaming. The professional market loves proprietary crap and accurate physics simulation is more important there then in gaming.

Professional market like what? Physx is just particles and cloth simulation, stuff that doesnt interact with player character - otherwise you couldnt run multiplayer games with some clients running "accelerated" and others in deliberately gimped FPU mode. CFD is absolutely out of the question, nothing serious uses physx. If anything professional software ships with cuda solver plugins, like Ansys https://www.ansys.com/content/dam/it-solution … ies-2019-r2.pdf

There was an interesting example when Digital Extremes dropped old PhysX particles all-together in Warframe.

rasz_pl wrote on 2022-04-01, 10:19:

RandomStranger wrote on 2022-04-01, 09:46:

To be fair, they are probably focusing with PhysX to the professional market rather than gaming. The professional market loves proprietary crap and accurate physics simulation is more important there then in gaming.

Professional market like what? Physx is just particles and cloth simulation, stuff that doesnt interact with player character - otherwise you couldnt run multiplayer games with some clients running "accelerated" and others in deliberately gimped FPU mode. CFD is absolutely out of the question, nothing serious uses physx. If anything professional software ships with cuda solver plugins, like Ansys https://www.ansys.com/content/dam/it-solution … ies-2019-r2.pdf

Autodesk software as far as I know has PhysX support.

PPU and GPU physics was so limited in what it could do. I don't remember anything they did being particularly interesting. Fog and water made of big particle balls, and flying debris... I don't know if it could ever be as flexible as CPU physics because of the PCIe bus being in the middle. And maybe GPUs are too limited in what runs fast on them.

I've got one in my Athlon 64 X2 4800+ / HD3850 AGP machine. It's fun to play around with. Cell Factor Revolution and GRAW are pretty interesting to see what it can do.

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If nothing else it's a guaranteed conversation stopper...

PartyMom: But my third was terrible, they gave me the epidural, but I was still screaming my head off....
You: I have an Ageia Physx card.
*silence*

Not all Physx Games support Nvidia PhysX. There are Ageia-only games such as Graw 1, Infernal, Switchball & CellFactor: Revolution that need an Ageia PhysX Card. So in my opinion it's worth getting one, and I'm glad I did as Infernal, Switchball and Graw 1 are some of my favourite games and are much better with Ageia PhysX turned on. I love the graphics effects in Graw 1 when the embassy gets blown to smithereens. The latest Nvidia graphic cards don't even support PhysX anymore so you are missing out on a lot of good games.

https://list.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_games_wi … d_PhysX_support

PerryRhodan wrote on 2025-06-24, 11:45:

Not all Physx Games support Nvidia PhysX. There are Ageia-only games such as Graw 1, Infernal, Switchball & CellFactor: Revolution that need an Ageia PhysX Card. So in my opinion it's worth getting one, and I'm glad I did as Infernal, Switchball and Graw 1 are some of my favourite games and are much better with Ageia PhysX turned on. I love the graphics effects in Graw 1 when the embassy gets blown to smithereens. The latest Nvidia graphic cards don't even support PhysX anymore so you are missing out on a lot of good games.

https://list.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_games_wi … d_PhysX_support

So we are absolutely certain? I have a GTX 560 in my 21st-century rig which supports PhysX and always wondered if it was verifiably incompatible with the Nvidia card even using different drivers. PCGamingWiki seems to suggest it could be either way (at least in the case of GRAW), but if true it could mean demand for a wrapper/emulator to that end.

No one answered the compatibility question, but I was always recalling I read something somewhere that seemed to contradict the notion of certain games not supporting PhysX on Nvidia. I may have rediscovered the biggest one from the green house themselves: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/physx/ph … -legacy-driver/. While my recall still says the support list was more extensive than that, until testing shows otherwise the presence of Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter (not 2, which supports PhysX on GPU) on that list, along with a few others listed as PPU-only on the linked Wiki page, is further indication that the matter all along was rendered moot with proper software support...good, because finding an original Ageia card looks to be too expensive a proposition to be worthwhile.

Of course, this would only apply to Nvidia cards with legacy hardware PhysX support which apparently apparently got dropped in the GTX 700 series.

The physx lists out there are incomplete and even have some wrong information. This used to be the definitive physx website: https://web.archive.org/web/20211206075307/ht … php?p=gam&f=ppu

These are the PPU-only games:

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Bet on Soldier: Blackout Saigon
Bet on Soldier: Blood of Sahara
Bet on Soldier: Blood Sport
Cellfactor: Revolution
City of Villains/Heroes
Infernal
Shadowgrounds Survivor
Stoked Rider: Alaska Alien
Switchball
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter

BaronSFel001 wrote on 2025-07-18, 17:07:

I may have rediscovered the biggest one from the green house themselves: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/physx/ph … -legacy-driver/. While my recall still says the support list was more extensive than that, until testing shows otherwise the presence of Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter (not 2, which supports PhysX on GPU) on that list, along with a few others listed as PPU-only on the linked Wiki page, is further indication that the matter all along was rendered moot with proper software support...good, because finding an original Ageia card looks to be too expensive a proposition to be worthwhile.

From those 7 titles, only 3 support PPU physx, Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter, CellFactor and Switchball. I haven't personally checked, but AFAIK their hardware-accelerated physx mode would not run on the GPU, regardless of the software being installed, so you still need a PPU for that.

What that legacy driver does is to simply make the games work, even the CPU-only titles, because back then games didn't ship with any physx dll files, so you needed to install it.

rasz_pl wrote on 2022-04-01, 08:07:

PhysX library was famously compiled to use x87 FPU when every CPU on the market had vectorized floating point units (SSE) https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2010/07/did-nv … to-spite-intel/ NVidia is very good at following the road paved by Creative and their EAX. They invent bullshit proprietary APIs and gatekeep (physX, Cuda, G-Sync, gameworks https://wccftech.com/fight-nvidias-gameworks- … program-tragic/).

x87 wasn't a requirement, it was the minimum. Game devs had access to the source code and could compile for SSE if they wanted to. There are articles on physxinfo about this.

The GPU physx mode in certain games having low performance was on the game devs, as per the crysis 2 example in the article. The devs seemingly tended to prioritize visuals over performance.

rasz_pl wrote on 2022-04-01, 08:07:

In the end PhysX got relegated to generating visual garbage on the screen (particles, trash in the wind, sometimes cloth simulation). To this day afaik there are no games that just cant run/run well without hardware PhysX.

There are hundreds or perhaps thousands of games using CPU physx as part of the gameplay. GPU physx mode though, yes, since nvidia kept it exclusive obviously no dev would tie the gameplay to it when it won't even work on non-nvidia hardware. GPU physx definitely improves physics performance, but again the problem is game devs went overboard with the effects.