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First post, by old school gamer man

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Hay everyone so I have a xp setup with a xeon 1680v2 at 4.5ghz, 32gb of ddr3 cl9 2400mhz on a revo drive.

On XP I run in to a few networking problems and was hoping to find a fix, I also have none of the same problems on 10 or any other OS I install on the system.

I'm looking for a fix for the fallowing.

1: max bandwidth is limited per connection to around 3mbs, on 10 I get closer to 10. this includes downloads, p2p, and so on.
2: Every web page loads delayed in supermium. it takes around 10 to 15 seconds before the page starts to load.
3: https dose not work on a lot of web sites. I updated the root certs but that did not seem to fix it. Yes the date and time is right 🤣

and lastly does anyone know of a firefox based web browser that is newer and more up to date than mypal ?

thanks.

Last edited by old school gamer man on 2025-07-28, 15:08. Edited 2 times in total.

Reply 1 of 18, by theelf

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Give me some examples of web you have problems, and i will test, here web browsing is great in my xp 32 machine, is a i5 dual core, 8GB ram (3.5gb windows 2.5gb swap and 2gb for temp) and SSD

Reply 2 of 18, by bakemono

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1) It might help to tweak the TCPIP registry settings (TCP window size, mainly) under HKLM\system\currentcontrolset\services\tcpip\parameters

Try Mypal 68/74 as well as roytam1's Serpent browser, since some sites work better in one or the other.

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Reply 3 of 18, by Jo22

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Imho, the best solution is to have a VM with a modern OS running on an XP host.
So you can use XP and have modern browser..

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Reply 4 of 18, by old school gamer man

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theelf wrote on 2025-07-28, 14:09:

Give me some examples of web you have problems, and i will test, here web browsing is great in my xp 32 machine, is a i5 dual core, 8GB ram (3.5gb windows 2.5gb swap and 2gb for temp) and SSD

Every web page loads delayed in supermium. it takes around 10 to 15 seconds before the page starts to load, mypal was worse.

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Reply 5 of 18, by old school gamer man

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bakemono wrote on 2025-07-28, 14:25:

1) It might help to tweak the TCPIP registry settings (TCP window size, mainly) under HKLM\system\currentcontrolset\services\tcpip\parameters

Try Mypal 68/74 as well as roytam1's Serpent browser, since some sites work better in one or the other.

Mypal is far to dated to use anymore and most sites don't work on it nor do most addons work with it anymore. Can I get a link to Serpent browser, when I look it up all i find is a browser installer tool.

I'll look into the reg setting and play around with it, I already change the reserve bandwidth setting in group policy and that helped a lot with downloading things, before that change I was getting closer to 2mbs

Reply 6 of 18, by ott

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Looks like a misconfigured MTU size or bad NIC driver.

Reply 7 of 18, by old school gamer man

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ott wrote on 2025-07-28, 15:57:

Looks like a misconfigured MTU size or bad NIC driver.

I thought about the nic driver, I used the driver from asrocks site so I'll see if there is a newer on the chipset's makers site. I not done anything with MTU size but I'll look into that.

Reply 8 of 18, by theelf

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For me every webpage load fine, i dont know your problem, if you already update certificates, i waks you some examples, because you say you have https problems

I tested a little download speed, and no, i can reach the limit of my provider connection without much problem, in fact the second movie, while i was not checking download, must be more than 10mb sec

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Reply 9 of 18, by bakemono

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old school gamer man wrote on 2025-07-28, 15:03:

Mypal is far to dated to use anymore and most sites don't work on it nor do most addons work with it anymore. Can I get a link to Serpent browser, when I look it up all i find is a browser installer tool.

If "most" of what you want is not working in Mypal then it probably won't help, but here is a link http://rtfreesoft.blogspot.com/

(the Newmoon/Palemoon 28, Basilisk 52, and Basilisk 55 variants seem to be roughly equivalent in capabilities)

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Reply 10 of 18, by old school gamer man

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bakemono wrote on 2025-07-29, 11:38:
old school gamer man wrote on 2025-07-28, 15:03:

Mypal is far to dated to use anymore and most sites don't work on it nor do most addons work with it anymore. Can I get a link to Serpent browser, when I look it up all i find is a browser installer tool.

If "most" of what you want is not working in Mypal then it probably won't help, but here is a link http://rtfreesoft.blogspot.com/

(the Newmoon/Palemoon 28, Basilisk 52, and Basilisk 55 variants seem to be roughly equivalent in capabilities)

thanks. I'll give it a try.

MTU size was set right, tried tweaking tcpip settings and that did not help ether. going to look into the nic drivers next.

Reply 11 of 18, by gerwin

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I also often use Supermium and Newmoon/Palemoon28 in Windows XP. It just works, quite OK. Though I find it most responsive on Sandy Bridge or similar processors. It is not as blazing fast as Linux Firefox on the same system, but no multi-second delays here. Network and LAN settings are just the defaults.
I just ran this test https://www.ziggo.nl/speedtest:
Download 540Mbps
Upload 248Mbps
Latency 4.35ms

PS. Newmoon28 needs a polyfill workaround for websites like Github, and that slows things down considerably. Though it is still usable. Recent Cloudflare tests bog down Newmoon28 very badly, whilst supermium can handle that reasonably well. Also I use UBlock-Origin in both browsers.

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Reply 12 of 18, by old school gamer man

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gerwin wrote on 2025-07-29, 15:24:

I also often use Supermium and Newmoon/Palemoon28 in Windows XP. It just works, quite OK. Though I find it most responsive on Sandy Bridge or similar processors. It is not as blazing fast as Linux Firefox on the same system, but no multi-second delays here. Network and LAN settings are just the defaults.

IDK this has been a problem I faced in xp across more than one install/pc but its way way worse on my x79 ivy setup than anything else I used. something in my setup is borked its just a matter of finding out what.

Reply 13 of 18, by gerwin

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old school gamer man wrote on 2025-07-29, 15:47:

IDK this has been a problem I faced in xp across more than one install/pc but its way way worse on my x79 ivy setup than anything else I used. something in my setup is borked its just a matter of finding out what.

x79? Reminds me of this article, at bonus content:
https://pixelworkbench.com/2022/06/14/amd-cat … l-sandy-bridge/
AMD Catalyst drivers for Windows XP - newer is NOT better

While the Intel LGA 2011 X79 platform may seem like the ultimate Windows XP gaming machine, I found that the SpeedStep and Turbo features of the processor don’t function in XP

I use 6-series socket 1155 Gigabyte motherboards. Never seen reasons to try anything other then that, like 7-series..

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Reply 14 of 18, by old school gamer man

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gerwin wrote on 2025-07-29, 15:59:
x79? Reminds me of this article, at bonus content: https://pixelworkbench.com/2022/06/14/amd-cat … l-sandy-bridge/ AMD Catalyst […]
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x79? Reminds me of this article, at bonus content:
https://pixelworkbench.com/2022/06/14/amd-cat … l-sandy-bridge/
AMD Catalyst drivers for Windows XP - newer is NOT better

While the Intel LGA 2011 X79 platform may seem like the ultimate Windows XP gaming machine, I found that the SpeedStep and Turbo features of the processor don’t function in XP

I use 6-series socket 1155 Gigabyte motherboards. Never seen reasons to try anything other then that, like 7-series..

hmm SpeedStep and Turbo worked fine for me granted I shut both of them off as I did not want them. I run my 1680v2 with 4 cores and ht off at 4.5ghz. But you are right, there are some quirks to using x79 on xp. x58 is a better pick and so is 1155 granted I needed a little more power so I went with x79. Once I get the external rad setup going I'll look into the nic drivers and see what I can do there. I want to note that i have zreo updates other then sp3 installed so it could be something there too.

Reply 15 of 18, by UCyborg

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I've had two PCs compatible with Windows XP, in both cases, NVIDIA drivers left something to be desired. The old one had GeForce4 MX 440, the newer one has GeForce GTX 750 Ti.

Newer drivers on older card tanked the performance in games, with newer card, monitor settings in NVIDIA Control Panel were bonkered.

Chromium based browsers may have trouble with certificates on XP, if you haven't noticed in Certificate Manager after updating certificates, there are number of them that XP doesn't understand. When my bank still used personal certificate for identification, it was impossible to login on XP. Unknown if --ignore-certificate-errors would help. That was in pre-Supermium time when the best Chromiums for XP were Chinese forks. Mozilla based forks were fine in that regard. I forgot if I eventually just put --ignore-certifcate-errors on every Chromium's launch shortcut, so not sure if Supermium somehow works better out-of-box on XP these days, it's been a while.

Things are broken left and right on XP in my experience. I've had a bit better experience with XP x64, on x86, even my motherboard's SATA controller driver (for working AHCI mode) just crashes. I got an older version of KeePassXC Browser Extension to work on Serpent, it can communicate with KeePass password management program with right plugin, but the whole thing refuses to work on x86 in any browser due to some missing crypto stuff. And for some reason Korean hieroglyphs aren't rendered in AIMP, despite having the extra fonts installed. On the other hand, DirectSound hardware acceleration refuses to work at all on my Audigy Rx on XP x64.

Not sure if these are general XP SP3 problems or something bonkered with Integral Edition specifically, I have more conservative (less updated) variant of XP x64 updated in 2011.

Also, I want my BIOS clock in UTC! XP's also broken in that regard. While RealTimeIsUniversal setting exists and can be added to registry, it's broken, you have to run something like Meinberg NTP service to prevent the displayed clock in the OS to reset to UTC baseline every hour. And setting clock in the OS with that setting enabled still won't update it in CMOS and the displayed clock will reset again after putting PC to sleep, the UTC offset isn't applied on resume. So in my case, the clock goes back one or two hours, depending on whether DST is in effect. Why do we still have this clock adjustment every half-year? So stupid.

Performance in general? I mostly notice it to be better with modern Windows versions. There are some specific things that could be smoother on XP, some old GUI GDI applications maybe. Also Flash Player...maybe something about its D3D9 path, it uses D3D11 on modern Windows.

I do get random sound dropouts on XP while not even doing anything demanding, it can be triggered by something as simple as minimizing a web browser. It takes some load before audio starts to suffer on Win10. And I have an ancient AMD Phenom II X4 920 in my computer, which isn't exactly speedy! Some guy recently pointed out audio glitches in old 3D era GTA games, while he had them on both XP and 10, I only heard them on XP on my computer. At least that was the case for GTA: San Andreas.

I tried running Interstate '76 (a 1997 game) using its windowed mode not too long ago, it uses plain GDI in this case (with its code adjusted to cap frame rate to mere 20 to avoid physics glitches), both on Win11 23H2 and XP (x86 or x64), with CPU downclocked to 800 MHz. I was surprised to see the game run smoother on 11, I expected about equivalent performance. So the more bloated Win11 still got more out of the lower clocked CPU. Maybe compositor (DWM) makes a difference? I don't have the exact numbers since readily available tools only work with hooking 3D APIs, but the difference was considerable to not really need the numbers to notice.

Take any D3D game, run it in windowed mode, then put its window on secondary monitor. See what happens on XP. The frame rate drops considerably. I find this to be even more bothersome with web browsers. Guess what NVIDIA's Multi-display performance mode was for? In its default state, it made OpenGL acceleration work on any screen. It wasn't relevant anymore with Vista.

My honest answer is that I don't know how to make ANYTHING suck less on XP.

For web browsing, it would usually be Serpent with Classic Theme Restorer and Supermium for broken sites. I generally prefer Pale Moon's interface, Serpent just stayed since I migrated from old Firefox 51 years ago to Basilisk before eventually landing on Pale Moon, closest match is New Moon 28 on XP. Serpent has theoretical compatibility with Web Extensions, though not sure how much works with it, very little by my limited experience.

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Reply 17 of 18, by theelf

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Here in spain, i use bbva, santander and openbank bank websites whitout a problem, spanish goverment stuff are all OK, exept the ones need sign, because sadly the goverment software to sign need windows 10+ and 64bits, but most of stuff still works fine, like present taxes or download tax letters. Paypal is fine too

Im talking using supermium, every other browser like serpent, etc fails in most of this stuff and are very slow

The day supermium is not more updated, and nobody keed updating, sadly is the end of XP for everyday use, sadly everything in modern times need to be done on internet, like taxes, payments, etc

Reply 18 of 18, by gerwin

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UCyborg wrote on 2025-07-30, 21:12:

Things are broken left and right on XP in my experience. I've had a bit better experience with XP x64...
Not sure if these are general XP SP3 problems or something bonkered with Integral Edition specifically,

I have three different systems with Windows XP x86 SP3 as the main OS, which are used regularly. At the time it installed all automatic updates, then also the POSready updates, up to may 2019. Added the proper VC (v14.28.29213) and Direct-X redist libraries. In my experience these systems are reliable.

All three systems are intel 6-series chipset-based. All three use a Crucial M4 SSD, in AHCI mode.
Graphics drivers used: These versions of the drivers were chosen purposely for different reasons.
- Nvidia Driver v344.75.dated 11-2014 (Geforce GT 710 GDDR5)
- AMD driver iCafe dated 2015, the very last one. (Radeon HD 7750)
- Intel v6.14.10.5384 dated 10-9-2011. (Sandy Bridge HD 3000).

Sure the Windows XP API is missing the NT6+ calls, So plenty recent software cannot run. I do try some kernel-ex tricks, but only program-specific and portable.

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