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First post, by DustyShinigami

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I don't know if I just need to study the basics of computers again, if there's something I'm failing to grasp, or some other underlying issue going on, but I seem to be having problems getting my HDDs set up correctly. Since re-setting everything up with the new motherboard and ATX case, I noticed that my first two HDDs were configured wrong. My C and D drives were connected up using IDE 2 and were labelled Secondary Master and Secondary Slave. I've since connected them to IDE 1 so they're Primary Master and Primary Slave, but now Windows fails to load and tells me there's an issue with the disks. I figured I was setting the jumpers up wrong, but after multiple experiments, I'm sure I'm understanding the diagrams correctly and they're set up right. If I just have the C drive connected, it works. And Windows boots as normal. Once my D drive is added though - fail. The initialisation recognises them correctly - Maxtor 30GB = C and Samsung 80GB = D.

So, someone, please correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I understand, my C drive diagram is showing...

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...which, to my understanding means that if the jumper is at the top and horizontal, it's the Slave. If it's vertical and on the bottom left, it's the Master, right? Which is what I have set up:

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And as mentioned, Windows has loaded up when that HDD is plugged in. However, when I try to add my D drive - the Samsung - this is the diagram:

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And to my understanding, the jumper needs to be vertical and the second one along...? Like so:

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But I just get this every time:

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No other devices are connected except my flash floppy drive. My third HDD isn't and neither is my CD-ROM drive. The red cable on the IDE ribbon is on the right side when I plug them in and I've made sure the molex and IDE connectors are pushed in all the way. I've tried resetting the BIOS to default and tried getting the BIOS to detect the drives. Usually when I do that they just disappear again and don't detect anything. Or they detect them in the right order on reset, but then go no further. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? Thanks.

OS: Windows 98 SE
CPU: Pentium III Katmai 450MHz (SL35D)/Pentium III Coppermine 933MHz (SL448)
RAM: SK Hynix 128MB 100MHz/Kingston 256MB 133MHz
GPU: Nvidia 16MB Riva TNT/Geforce 128MB 4 MX 440
Motherboard: MSI-6156/Abit BE6-II

Reply 1 of 37, by AncapDude

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Remove all Jumpers from the Samsung drive.

Reply 2 of 37, by DustyShinigami

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AncapDude wrote on 2025-08-26, 18:03:

Remove all Jumpers from the Samsung drive.

Okay, I'll give that a shot. Thanks.

OS: Windows 98 SE
CPU: Pentium III Katmai 450MHz (SL35D)/Pentium III Coppermine 933MHz (SL448)
RAM: SK Hynix 128MB 100MHz/Kingston 256MB 133MHz
GPU: Nvidia 16MB Riva TNT/Geforce 128MB 4 MX 440
Motherboard: MSI-6156/Abit BE6-II

Reply 3 of 37, by AncapDude

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If that doesn't help and they work on secondary, try to Move the cable as far away as possible from any components due to interferences or try another cable. If it still fails, your primary Port May be broken on connection or chipset Level

Reply 4 of 37, by DustyShinigami

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AncapDude wrote on 2025-08-26, 18:03:

Remove all Jumpers from the Samsung drive.

No, sadly the same thing happens.

OS: Windows 98 SE
CPU: Pentium III Katmai 450MHz (SL35D)/Pentium III Coppermine 933MHz (SL448)
RAM: SK Hynix 128MB 100MHz/Kingston 256MB 133MHz
GPU: Nvidia 16MB Riva TNT/Geforce 128MB 4 MX 440
Motherboard: MSI-6156/Abit BE6-II

Reply 5 of 37, by DustyShinigami

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AncapDude wrote on 2025-08-26, 18:10:

If that doesn't help and they work on secondary, try to Move the cable as far away as possible from any components due to interferences or try another cable. If it still fails, your primary Port May be broken on connection or chipset Level

Ohh I hope the port isn't broken. That certainly wasn't mentioned when I bought it. I'll try another cable and see.

OS: Windows 98 SE
CPU: Pentium III Katmai 450MHz (SL35D)/Pentium III Coppermine 933MHz (SL448)
RAM: SK Hynix 128MB 100MHz/Kingston 256MB 133MHz
GPU: Nvidia 16MB Riva TNT/Geforce 128MB 4 MX 440
Motherboard: MSI-6156/Abit BE6-II

Reply 6 of 37, by AncapDude

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DustyShinigami wrote on 2025-08-26, 18:12:

No, sadly the same thing happens.

OK. Should still be correct as your setting Was slave with 32gb Limit. It's a Bad Layout of the Label. Try the other things I mentioned if that helps.

Reply 7 of 37, by DustyShinigami

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AncapDude wrote on 2025-08-26, 18:15:
DustyShinigami wrote on 2025-08-26, 18:12:

No, sadly the same thing happens.

OK. Should still be correct as your setting Was slave with 32gb Limit. It's a Bad Layout of the Label. Try the other things I mentioned if that helps.

Okay, I believe I've discovered the cause of the issue. The IDE ribbon I've been trying to use, which is a big one with three female headers on, has a very small tear underneath the middle connector. That would certainly explain it. So I'm going to order 2-3 of those and some dual male ribbons so I can daisy-chain additional female connectors together if it turns out any are faulty.

Thanks for trying to help. 😀

OS: Windows 98 SE
CPU: Pentium III Katmai 450MHz (SL35D)/Pentium III Coppermine 933MHz (SL448)
RAM: SK Hynix 128MB 100MHz/Kingston 256MB 133MHz
GPU: Nvidia 16MB Riva TNT/Geforce 128MB 4 MX 440
Motherboard: MSI-6156/Abit BE6-II

Reply 8 of 37, by AncapDude

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With pleasure. Good luck and let us know if another cable did the trick.

Reply 9 of 37, by mtest001

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DustyShinigami wrote on 2025-08-26, 19:15:

I'm going to order 2-3 of those and some dual male ribbons

Try to get 80 wire cables, for future proofing 😀

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_ATA#80 … nductor_variant

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Reply 10 of 37, by DustyShinigami

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mtest001 wrote on 2025-08-26, 20:06:
DustyShinigami wrote on 2025-08-26, 19:15:

I'm going to order 2-3 of those and some dual male ribbons

Try to get 80 wire cables, for future proofing 😀

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_ATA#80 … nductor_variant

Thanks for the tip. Didn’t realise that was a thing. I’ll get three of each. 😀

OS: Windows 98 SE
CPU: Pentium III Katmai 450MHz (SL35D)/Pentium III Coppermine 933MHz (SL448)
RAM: SK Hynix 128MB 100MHz/Kingston 256MB 133MHz
GPU: Nvidia 16MB Riva TNT/Geforce 128MB 4 MX 440
Motherboard: MSI-6156/Abit BE6-II

Reply 11 of 37, by DustyShinigami

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I seem to be having the same problem with the CD-ROM drive as well. I’m not sure if it’s because it was specifically designed for the old machine I took it out of, though I can’t imagine that being an issue, but connecting it up doesn’t do anything at all. It requires a 39 pin IDE, and I’ve tried connecting to a 39 pin bank, as well as using an adapter to plug it into IDE 2. On boot, it makes a noise suggesting it’s working, but it doesn’t recognise it on boot, in the BIOS, or in Windows. 😕 And I’ve tried taking the jumper out and putting it into Master and disconnecting everything else.

OS: Windows 98 SE
CPU: Pentium III Katmai 450MHz (SL35D)/Pentium III Coppermine 933MHz (SL448)
RAM: SK Hynix 128MB 100MHz/Kingston 256MB 133MHz
GPU: Nvidia 16MB Riva TNT/Geforce 128MB 4 MX 440
Motherboard: MSI-6156/Abit BE6-II

Reply 12 of 37, by AncapDude

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BIOS setting is Auto? Because I had the same issue today and forgot I Set Primary slave manually to None in BIOS 😅

Reply 13 of 37, by DustyShinigami

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AncapDude wrote on 2025-08-27, 16:38:

BIOS setting is Auto? Because I had the same issue today and forgot I Set Primary slave manually to None in BIOS 😅

Yeah, I believe they’re all Auto. Well, on the main page they’re None, but selecting each one says Auto. And getting them to automatically detect them comes up with nothing.

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OS: Windows 98 SE
CPU: Pentium III Katmai 450MHz (SL35D)/Pentium III Coppermine 933MHz (SL448)
RAM: SK Hynix 128MB 100MHz/Kingston 256MB 133MHz
GPU: Nvidia 16MB Riva TNT/Geforce 128MB 4 MX 440
Motherboard: MSI-6156/Abit BE6-II

Reply 14 of 37, by DustyShinigami

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Ah. Looks like I’ve bricked Windows by installing the wrong drivers for something. Now it won’t boot and gives me a BSOD. Bit tricky to reformat without a CD drive as well. 😫 And I couldn’t remove it in Safe Mode either.

OS: Windows 98 SE
CPU: Pentium III Katmai 450MHz (SL35D)/Pentium III Coppermine 933MHz (SL448)
RAM: SK Hynix 128MB 100MHz/Kingston 256MB 133MHz
GPU: Nvidia 16MB Riva TNT/Geforce 128MB 4 MX 440
Motherboard: MSI-6156/Abit BE6-II

Reply 15 of 37, by DustyShinigami

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Yeah, not sure what I'm going to do now. The only thing I can think of is to dig out a spare CD drive, but I think that will be too modern. In fact, I'm sure it's too modern. It'll require a SATA cable. I've absolutely no idea why this CD-RW isn't being recognised, but without one, I have a PC I can't do very much with until it's reformatted.

I still don't know how to use it yet, but unless the flash floppy drive can read image files from a CD...?

OS: Windows 98 SE
CPU: Pentium III Katmai 450MHz (SL35D)/Pentium III Coppermine 933MHz (SL448)
RAM: SK Hynix 128MB 100MHz/Kingston 256MB 133MHz
GPU: Nvidia 16MB Riva TNT/Geforce 128MB 4 MX 440
Motherboard: MSI-6156/Abit BE6-II

Reply 16 of 37, by AncapDude

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No luck with IDE hmm. Another optical drive just for cross-testing would be helpful. They are widely available for near nothing. USB boot with CD access is possible, depends on what you're booting from the stick and if your BIOS supports it. As you face several issues with IDE i would recommend to completely start over. Remove everything and start from zero step by step with testing each step.

Reply 17 of 37, by DustyShinigami

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AncapDude wrote on 2025-08-27, 18:51:

No luck with IDE hmm. Another optical drive just for cross-testing would be helpful. They are widely available for near nothing. USB boot with CD access is possible, depends on what you're booting from the stick and if your BIOS supports it. As you face several issues with IDE i would recommend to completely start over. Remove everything and start from zero step by step with testing each step.

I’ve still yet to buy some new IDE cables. I’m waiting to pay off my balance before buying anything else. 😄 So I’ve been experimenting with what I have. I have some spare but smaller 40 pin and 39 pin connectors, but nothing appears to be working. I also stripped everything back to the beginning so only one thing is connected. Today, it’s just been the CD drive. I just don’t know if this CD drive has some quirk it doesn’t like from the previous setup.

OS: Windows 98 SE
CPU: Pentium III Katmai 450MHz (SL35D)/Pentium III Coppermine 933MHz (SL448)
RAM: SK Hynix 128MB 100MHz/Kingston 256MB 133MHz
GPU: Nvidia 16MB Riva TNT/Geforce 128MB 4 MX 440
Motherboard: MSI-6156/Abit BE6-II

Reply 18 of 37, by DustyShinigami

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I have a question: can you normally have more than two IDE controllers in the BIOS? There's options there for IDE 1 and 2, but my motherboard has four. Two black, which are 40 pins and two white, which are 39. I just find it odd how the CD drive is never listed in IDE Primary Master/Slave or IDE Secondary Master/Slave. Or does it not make any difference? Does connecting something into IDE 3 or 4 still show in Primary and/or Secondary?

OS: Windows 98 SE
CPU: Pentium III Katmai 450MHz (SL35D)/Pentium III Coppermine 933MHz (SL448)
RAM: SK Hynix 128MB 100MHz/Kingston 256MB 133MHz
GPU: Nvidia 16MB Riva TNT/Geforce 128MB 4 MX 440
Motherboard: MSI-6156/Abit BE6-II

Reply 19 of 37, by DustyShinigami

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Ahhh. Looks like the CD drive may have been detected the whole time, but it shows up in a different menu. A different BIOS…? I noticed since installing this motherboard that it comes up with a Highpoint Technologies screen. I noticed it list the CD-ROM there. 😃 Can’t say I noticed that before. It could be thanks to removing my sound card beforehand…? Apparently some sound cards have IDE controllers…? And it may have caused a conflict…? So I removed it just in case.

OS: Windows 98 SE
CPU: Pentium III Katmai 450MHz (SL35D)/Pentium III Coppermine 933MHz (SL448)
RAM: SK Hynix 128MB 100MHz/Kingston 256MB 133MHz
GPU: Nvidia 16MB Riva TNT/Geforce 128MB 4 MX 440
Motherboard: MSI-6156/Abit BE6-II