pentiumspeed wrote on 2023-01-25, 21:27:

Now you mention the Dolphin, developers released new one and even this requires Series S or Series X to run properly and needing so much power in GPU and processor turns me off as the idea of emulating since, without needing to buy so many dying older consoles. That's lot of space to take up which I have need to rebuild, repair and test. Whole thing about emulating is to get anyone interested to play old games with their computer that aren't high end, mostly low to mid end.

Cheers,

The UWP version is a fork (the mainline Dolphin doesn't have a UWP build yet). It requires an Xbox Series, because Xbox One's AMD Jaguar CPU is very weak, even for back then in 2013.

That requirement, however, has no bearing on the PC version. You can get a relatively ok performance even with 12 years old i5 CPUs and 10-11 years old higher midrange Geforce 600 cards. The only issue with the latter is that nvidia no longer provides drivers for it (except security ones), so compatibility will get worse over time.

7 years old Skylakes and 6 years old Geforce 10 cards have no issues.

Yes, you can't get a very good performance on hardware older than that, but it's unrealistic to expect software to stay static forever. Core 2 is close to 17 years old.

Geforce2 and Geforce3, and 4 have S-video output, some FX 5xxx do.

Cheers,

eddman wrote on 2023-01-25, 23:19:

The UWP version is a fork (the mainline Dolphin doesn't have a UWP build yet). It requires an Xbox Series, because Xbox One's AM […]
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pentiumspeed wrote on 2023-01-25, 21:27:

Now you mention the Dolphin, developers released new one and even this requires Series S or Series X to run properly and needing so much power in GPU and processor turns me off as the idea of emulating since, without needing to buy so many dying older consoles. That's lot of space to take up which I have need to rebuild, repair and test. Whole thing about emulating is to get anyone interested to play old games with their computer that aren't high end, mostly low to mid end.

Cheers,

The UWP version is a fork (the mainline Dolphin doesn't have a UWP build yet). It requires an Xbox Series, because Xbox One's AMD Jaguar CPU is very weak, even for back then in 2013.

That requirement, however, has no bearing on the PC version. You can get a relatively ok performance even with 12 years old i5 CPUs and 10-11 years old higher midrange Geforce 600 cards. The only issue with the latter is that nvidia no longer provides drivers for it (except security ones), so compatibility will get worse over time.

7 years old Skylakes and 6 years old Geforce 10 cards have no issues.

Yes, you can't get a very good performance on hardware older than that, but it's unrealistic to expect software to stay static forever. Core 2 is close to 16 years old.

What about high end Ivy Bridge Xeon or a i7-4790K (I have these), and what about broadwell Xeon 16 core (in my future computer upgrade plan based on HP Z440 and gobs of DDR4 2400. On GPU side, what about GTX 960 that I have now?
Or must I as you recommend on GPU to get GTX 1070 or 1080?

Cheers,

pentiumspeed wrote on 2023-01-25, 23:24:

Geforce2 and Geforce3, and 4 have S-video output, some FX 5xxx do.

Cheers,

And these are real s-video outputs that i can plug in directly? Not weird proprietary ViVo dongles?

pentiumspeed wrote on 2023-01-25, 23:29:

What about high end Ivy Bridge Xeon or a i7-4790K (I have these), and what about broadwell Xeon 16 core (in my future computer upgrade plan based on HP Z440 and gobs of DDR4 2400. On GPU side, what about GTX 960 that I have now?
Or must I as you recommend on GPU to get GTX 1070 or 1080?

Cheers,

I see no reason why any of those would have a bad performance. Note that high core counts don't matter; what matters is good single core performance. Even a newer dual-core CPU should be fine, although it'd be better to stick to at least 4.

A 960 should be quite alright too, and is still getting new drivers, so you're covered there. A stronger card would help with higher render resolutions. If you do want to get a new card, maybe try getting at least a 20 series for better longevity.

EDIT: This subject is rather off-topic for this thread. You can ask on Dolphin's discord server for better recommendations.

rishooty wrote on 2023-01-25, 23:30:

pentiumspeed wrote on 2023-01-25, 23:24:

Geforce2 and Geforce3, and 4 have S-video output, some FX 5xxx do.

Cheers,

And these are real s-video outputs that i can plug in directly? Not weird proprietary ViVo dongles?

my FX5900 has an svideo out, it supports those splitters for component and whatnot, but a straight svideo or svideo to composite works just fine,
same for my HD 4670 and 8400GS

SPBHM wrote on 2023-01-26, 15:10:

rishooty wrote on 2023-01-25, 23:30:

pentiumspeed wrote on 2023-01-25, 23:24:

Geforce2 and Geforce3, and 4 have S-video output, some FX 5xxx do.

Cheers,

And these are real s-video outputs that i can plug in directly? Not weird proprietary ViVo dongles?

my FX5900 has an svideo out, it supports those splitters for component and whatnot, but a straight svideo or svideo to composite works just fine,
same for my HD 4670 and 8400GS

Sweet. So I guess my last question is, does this guarantee unscaled 480i output? Or is that driver or card dependent?

My goal is ultimately to find the most convenient out of the box solution without expensive or laggy downscalers, or messing with timings via soft15khz or emudriver, which are highly display dependent. I’m fully willing to give up 240p for that.

[EDIT] from the original poster's complaint (at least that I referenced), it seems he was mostly concerned about getting widescreen 720x480, and it only scaled at 800x600. I'm fine with unscaled 640x480.

Not sure where things are with this but I am curious. I'm currently doing almost the same project. I only need it to output enough power for MAME (maybe some XP era pc games).

I noticed someone mentioned it before and I didn't see anyone correct him, someone mentioned the TV having processing power and could include it's own latency. That only applies to LCD/LED TVs. As far as I know, that isn't of concern on a CRT. The other indicator was that he mentioned a game mode, which you wouldn't find on a CRT unless it was referring to a color/brightness/sharpness preset.

I need to check out the VIVO adapter. I only have the one that comes with GPUs that have TV Out (some call it S-Video out). So, I don't have any comments about it other then it looks like it might be better for the application as it includes S-Video and Composite where the normal TV out adapters only include Component connectors.

There is an issue I have come across. I have a Radeon HD 4870 with TV out, an nVidia Geforce 6600 and an GTX 275 with TV out. All 3 can display to my Trinitron out of the box without a transcoder (where if you use a GPU with analog out but the analog is either VGA or DVI-I, you need a transcoder in between the GPU and the TV or else it won't be able to display 480i). My issue is that both nVidia GPUs can output in full color, 480i but the Radeon outputs 480i with a greenish tint to it. I don't specifically know why that is but I know I have seen it before with my Dreamcast Component cables. Some documentation claims that it will only out correctly on HD CRT TVs and some documentation claims you need a separate C-Sync input (or whatever Sync it is). The other thing is software...

nVidia and ATI had software, accompanied with the drivers, that specifically touch on Component settings but for some reason, the Radeon doesn't just output with the correct colors.
I have a Radeon 5770 that I flash using the emudriver/atom method but that needs a transcoder to do the whole setup (VGA into the transcoder, then Component out of that into the TV). I am going to try that method with my 4870 to see if that works. If not, that would suck as I won't have any use for the GPU since I have other GPUs of that era that are better performers. I would try the 3000 series but I'd be curious if that's more successful or provides the same issue.

Last thing I'll say. IF anyone is wondering why I don't use the GTX 275, it's because GroovyArcade/GroovyMame/Batocera CRT doesn't like work too well, if at all, with nVidia GPUs. ATI cards work almost flawlessly but happen to have less power depending on what your needs are. I also have an RX 280X but that would have the same issue as the 5770 (no TV Out option).