nd22 wrote on Today, 17:17:

marxveix wrote on Today, 14:11:

At the moment i have these Socket 754 cpu-s, maybe i have more: AMD Mobile K8 Athlon XP-M 3000+ – AHN3000BIX3AY, Socket 754 […]
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At the moment i have these Socket 754 cpu-s, maybe i have more:
AMD Mobile K8 Athlon XP-M 3000+ – AHN3000BIX3AY, Socket 754

AMD Athlon 64 2800+ – ADA2800AEP4AX NewCastle DH-CG Socket 754
AMD Athlon 64 3000+ – ADA3000AEP4AX NewCastle DH-CG Socket 754

AMD Sempron 64 2500+ – SDA2500AIO3BX Socket754
AMD Sempron 64 2600+ – SDA2600AIO2BX Socket754
AMD Sempron 64 2600+ – SDA2600AIO2BO Socket754
AMD Sempron 64 2800+ – SDA2800AIO3BX Socket754
AMD Sempron 64 2800+ – SDA2800AIO3BA Socket754
AMD Sempron 64 3000+ – SDA3000AIO2BX, SDA3000AIO2BA Socket754
AMD Sempron 64 3100+ – SDA3100AIO3BX Socket754

AMD Mobile Sempron 2800+ – SMS2800BQX3LF L2 256kb Roma Socket 754
AMD Mobile Sempron 2800+ – SMS2800BOX3LB L2 256kb Sonora Socket 754
AMD Mobile Sempron 3000+ – SMS3000BQX2LF Roma DH-E6 Socket 754
AMD Mobile Sempron 3100+ – SMS3100BQX3LFx2 Socet 754
AMD Mobile Sempron 3300+ – SMS3300BQX2LFx4 E6 Roma 128kb, Socet 754
AMD Mobile Sempron 3300+ – SMN3300BKX2BX Albany E6, 62W, Socket 754

AMD Turion 64 Mobile ML-28 – TMDML28BKX4LD Socket 754
AMD Turion 64 Mobile MT-32 – TMSMT32BQX4LD Socket 754
AMD Turion 64 Mobile ML-32 – TMDML32BKX4LD Socket 754
AMD Turion 64 Mobile ML-34 – TMDML34BKX5LD Socket 754
AMD Turion 64 Mobile ML-37 – TMDML37BKX5LD Socket 754

AMD Mobile Athlon 64 3000+ 1800Mhz (AMA3400BEX5AR ClawHammer CG) Socket 754
AMD Mobile Athlon 64 3200+ 2000MHz (AMN3200BKX5BU Newark E5) Socket754
AMD Mobile Athlon 64 3400+ 2200Mhz (AMA3400BEX5AR ClawHammer CG) Socket 754

SMS3300BQX2LF i have 4pcs maybe its better to take out ML-37 and use Sempron 3300+?
It has lower graphics card anyway, still 3400+ is missing from Mobile Sempron + 25w cpu!
Does the Sempron 3300+ and Radeon 9600xt work better together, less bottlenecking???
Of course this Mobile Sempron 3300+ is slower and it has only 128kb cache vs 1mb@turion
3400+ has 256kb and that would be the maximum Mobile Semrpon for Socket754 system

2.4GHz i dont have yet, max is 2.2GHz @ my 754cpu collection.

You got quite a nice collection there! You will see some high end CPU's, all desktop versions but exotic ones.

Thank you! 2.4 and 2.6GHz still missing, but yes, its good option of 754 CPU-s.
https://www.cpumedics.com/amd-amn4000bkx5bu-2 … -cpu-processor/

Now the systems details - all the parts meet the following criteria: easy to find! Be aware that I did not say cheap!
1. CPU: the most powerful processor for socket 754 is the Athlon 64 3700 based on the first revision: Clawhammer! However that CPU is very rare and expensive. Very few people have it and very few can afford to pay for one!
I had one but it was a disaster!

nd22 wrote on Today, 17:32:

Now the systems details - all the parts meet the following criteria: easy to find! Be aware that I did not say cheap!
1. CPU: the most powerful processor for socket 754 is the Athlon 64 3700 based on the first revision: Clawhammer! However that CPU is very rare and expensive. Very few people have it and very few can afford to pay for one!
I had one but it was a disaster!

This is fastest Socket754 CPU, its named Mobile, but it takes 62W: AMD Mobile Athlon 64 4000+ - AMN4000BKX5BU
https://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K8/AMD-Mobile% … 4000BKX5BU.html

That would not be on the official sanctioned AMD list because it is a mobile chip! Also good luck finding one!

The story of my 3700: some 10 years ago I bought one off eBay. After I installed it in one of the boards the system started, I heard the standard beep, saw the screen with the CPU correctly recognized but it locked up immediately. I could not understand why so I changed the board from one Abit to another. The same thing happened; finally I put it in my one and only KV8 – MAX3 and the system froze on start up again with a strong smell of burned electronics and afterwards no matter what board I used it would not start at all!
Not only that but my KV8 – MAX3 died and I could not resurrect that board. I trashed that 3700 and never bought another one again! So I did not use that CPU simply because I do not have it.

However I choose the next in line: Athlon 64 3400.
There are several generations of Athlon 64: the very first one is the Clawhammer; armed with 1024kb of L2 cache it is one that proved that Pentium 4 can be beaten. It has only 2200 MHz and it is built on the old 130 nm process so it is going to be interesting to see how it is standing up performance wise.
The second generation is Newcastle: with half the cache – 512kb – it has a higher frequency to make up for the lost cache – 2400 MHz. Also built on the 130 nm process we shall se what matters most: cache or frequency?
The third generation is Winchester but it is not included because it is present only on socket 939.
The fourth generation is Venice. It has SSE3 instruction set, it is manufactured on the 90 nm process and has much lower TDP but otherwise it is identical to the Newcastle. Unlike Clawhammer and Newcastle which are plentiful on eBay it is very rare. After I put up the results we will discuss socket 754 Venice.
Because I tested both the Clawhammer and the Newcastle we are going to see a battle between cache and frequency!

nd22 wrote on Today, 17:20:

Today I do now want to repeat the same experience! I want the dream experience, when I play Farcry I want to play with the settings turned all the way up including AA and AF. That’s why the target period for socket 754 is 2000 – 2004. Going beyond 2004 is beyond the capabilities of the CPU, the graphics card or both; of course all will become clear when you will see the screenshots.

Because this is a comparative - that means identical graphics cards on all the systems - you will not see anything later than geforce 7000 series and radeon x1k series.
And no, a radeon 3850 will not help you play 2005 games at max details! In fact one of the games in the testing suite has been tested with AA disabled!

If you would like to use target period 2000-2004 for the purpose of the test, to be able to compare them with the same GPU that's fair. But then the statement Going beyond 2004 is beyond the capabilities of the CPU, the graphics card or both is misleading readers. I never mentioned radeon 3850 as it isn't sufficiently powerful. I do have Clawhammer 3400+ and tested it with various games so I can stand by my statement. Most s754 motherboards are AGP, but there is also a plenty of micro-ATX PCIe ones.

nd22 wrote on Today, 18:00:

The fourth generation is Venice. It has SSE3 instruction set, it is manufactured on the 90 nm process and has much lower TDP but otherwise it is identical to the Newcastle. Unlike Clawhammer and Newcastle which are plentiful on eBay it is very rare.

See https://www.ebay.de/itm/236030895621 . 2.2Ghz Venice sold for 14 EUR from Austria. It's a good price. Seller has 2 items.