VOGONS


First post, by dm-

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member

i got a mobile pentium III 850 cpu in a SLOT1 cartridge with SpeedStep tech.

The attachment p3mobile.jpg is no longer available

It is always running in low-power mode mean it's multiplier is locked to 7 instead of 8.5

according to documentation, a GHI# pin must be grounded to switch cpu to performance mode.
It is grounded but no changes.

i have a schematics from advantech industrial board with mobile p3 onboard. it does have implemented schematics for SpeedStep, i clearly see that GHI pin is grounded.
but something else i missing here.
any help will be appreciated.

datasheet for mobile p3 and advantech shematics are attached.

ps.
if you ask me why, mobile p3's are very good overclockers.

The attachment p3mobile2.jpg is no longer available

Reply 1 of 19, by marxveix

User metadata
Rank Oldbie
Rank
Oldbie

If you use motherboard thats not ment to use mobile cpu-s, you probably get this situtation. I have the same situation multiple times if i use s478 mobile parts in desktop chipset and desktop bios, low mode you get. With AMD its bit better.

Best ATi Rage3 drivers for 3DCIF / Direct3D / OpenGL / DVD : ATi RagePro drivers and software
30+MiniGL / OpenGL Win 9x dll files for all ATi Rage3 cards : Re: ATi RagePro OpenGL files

Reply 2 of 19, by dm-

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member

you probably did't get the point.
advantech board based on a desktop chipset.

there is a way to force cpu to work always in performance mode like this industrial board did.

Reply 3 of 19, by andrea

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member

On P3 is speedstep controlled only with GHI# or does it need to be sequenced with Deep Sleep as on P4M?

Have a look at this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3x2tBoZKz3E it's for P4Ms but might give you some ideas

Reply 5 of 19, by dm-

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member

1. yes it is required a deep sleep, but...

advantech and any mobile motherboards (laptop) will force cpu to performance mode if GHI# grounded immidiately after start.

2. I did.

Reply 6 of 19, by Falcosoft

User metadata
Rank l33t
Rank
l33t
dm- wrote on 2025-10-28, 10:56:

1. yes it is required a deep sleep, but...

advantech and any mobile motherboards (laptop) will force cpu to performance mode if GHI# grounded immidiately after start.

2. I did.

Check if speedstep is software controllable directly on your cpu:
https://falcosoft.hu/sstep.zip

It's a DOS tool but if it works you can place it in autoexec.bat for Win9x.

Website, Youtube
Falcosoft Soundfont Midi Player + Munt VSTi + BassMidi VSTi
VST Midi Driver Midi Mapper
x86 microarchitecture benchmark (MandelX)

Reply 7 of 19, by Nexxen

User metadata
Rank l33t
Rank
l33t
dm- wrote on 2025-10-28, 10:56:

2. I did.

Hi!
Could you please detail how you did it?
Any new addition to how-to is welcome 😀

If you cut all pins and then soldered it to the pcb, could it be possible that a solder ball isn't actually soldered to its receiving pad?
Just a hunch after watching many reballing videos.

PC#1 Pentium 233 MMX - 98SE
PC#2 PIII-1Ghz - 98SE/W2K

"One hates the specialty unobtainium parts, the other laughs in greed listing them under a ridiculous price" - kotel studios
Bare metal ist krieg.

Reply 8 of 19, by andrea

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member
dm- wrote on 2025-10-28, 10:56:

1. yes it is required a deep sleep, but...

advantech and any mobile motherboards (laptop) will force cpu to performance mode if GHI# grounded immidiately after start.

2. I did.

I wonder if the Advantech BIOS plays with some CPU registers at boot, not unlike what you found out with the GX swap. Assuming the boards are close enough (chipset and SIO I'd say) what happens if you put an Advantech BIOS on your board?

Nexxen wrote on 2025-10-28, 11:27:

If you cut all pins and then soldered it to the pcb, could it be possible that a solder ball isn't actually soldered to its receiving pad?

P3Ms are all BGA to begin with, even the socketed ones are just BGA chips soldered onto an interposer with pins.

Reply 9 of 19, by Nexxen

User metadata
Rank l33t
Rank
l33t
andrea wrote on 2025-10-28, 12:18:

P3Ms are all BGA to begin with, even the socketed ones are just BGA chips soldered onto an interposer with pins.

Oh, yes. I made a huge mistake.
This happens when you write before your brain steps in 😀
---

I'll follow this as it is interesting.

PC#1 Pentium 233 MMX - 98SE
PC#2 PIII-1Ghz - 98SE/W2K

"One hates the specialty unobtainium parts, the other laughs in greed listing them under a ridiculous price" - kotel studios
Bare metal ist krieg.

Reply 10 of 19, by Paadam

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member

What about soldering mobile Tualatin to Slot 1 PCB?!? Have not compared datasheets whether pinouts are same or different.

Many 3Dfx and Pentium III-S stuff.
My amibay FS thread: www.amibay.com/showthread.php?88030-Man ... -370-dual)

Reply 11 of 19, by dm-

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member

steps to create mobile slot 1:
1. desolder bga mobile chip from interposer, clean, reball.
2. desolder bga chip from slot1 interposer, clean the board.
3. solder mobile chip to slot 1 interposer.
easy peasy.

i flashed advantech bios to flash and booted from it on my gigabyte ga-6bxc. it's booting, but cpu still in 7x low performance mode.

Reply 12 of 19, by shevalier

User metadata
Rank Oldbie
Rank
Oldbie
dm- wrote on 2025-10-29, 03:22:

but cpu still in 7x low performance mode.

What happens if the multiplier in the BIOS is changed from AUTO to, for example, "8"?

Aopen MX3S, PIII-S Tualatin 1133, Radeon 9800Pro@XT BIOS, Audigy 4 SB0610
JetWay K8T8AS, Athlon DH-E6 3000+, Radeon HD2600Pro AGP, Audigy 2 Value SB0400
Gigabyte Ga-k8n51gmf, Turion64 ML-30@2.2GHz , Radeon X800GTO PL16, Diamond monster sound MX300

Reply 13 of 19, by dm-

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member

no such option in bios

Reply 15 of 19, by dm-

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member

configured 1.6v on cartridge

Reply 16 of 19, by Paadam

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member

Not sure if it helps but I converted my 600E from P2 to MMC-2 P3 when reading it on wimsbios forums and it required a resistor mod to enable full speed. Here's original thread of this whole mod: https://www.wimsbios.com/forum/viewtopic.php? … b1e2436f9110899

Many 3Dfx and Pentium III-S stuff.
My amibay FS thread: www.amibay.com/showthread.php?88030-Man ... -370-dual)

Reply 17 of 19, by Falcosoft

User metadata
Rank l33t
Rank
l33t
dm- wrote on 2025-10-29, 05:40:

no such option in bios

As I wrote above check if speedstep MSRs are present on not. If yes then FID/VID can be changed by software.

Website, Youtube
Falcosoft Soundfont Midi Player + Munt VSTi + BassMidi VSTi
VST Midi Driver Midi Mapper
x86 microarchitecture benchmark (MandelX)

Reply 18 of 19, by dm-

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member

this is a first release of speedstep technology and it does not had any msr registers at this time

Reply 19 of 19, by fiasn

User metadata
Rank Newbie
Rank
Newbie

if it's a Coppermine mobile then it has an incredibly hacky way of switching the clock multiplier IIRC. something to do with briefly pulling the CPU reset line high? the later chips used a register that was specific to mobile versions of the ICH i believe, but the pin should be present on desktop ICH chips

Dimension 4100, Pentium III-EB 1GHz, i815e, 512mb PC133 CL3, GeForce2 Pro 64MB, SBLive! 5.1, VIA VT6212L USB2.0
Latitude C610, Pentium III-M 1.2GHz (Tualatin), i830MP, 768MB PC133 CL2, Mobility Radeon 7000 16MB (128bit)
PMG4 Dual 866MHz, FX5200, 2GB DDR