wierd_w wrote on 2026-02-11, 21:12:

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You dont need a mustache twirler.

'Concerned Parents!' Will suffice. The kind that never think anything through, and insist on immediate and complete adoption of anything that whispers 'safety!' In their ear.

In most old boards, SecureBoot can be disabled. The PROBLEM in the future will be mandated and artificial requirements to have it turned on. This latter is the 'Concerned Parents' involvement.

The enforcement of product lifecycle may even be viewed *favorably*, because of attrition of vulnerable systems in circulation.

Historicity, nostalgia, or any other such conception, is put in the same box as 'dangerous crazy.'

Basically, 'Mommy' (as a cognitative archetype) positively *adores* 'mommy knows best' as a policy.

Only naughty children dislike it.

I see...
And in fact, the truly 'naughty' ones are those criminals. We're the good guys!

Secure boot is nonsense, literally fascist, if not allowed to be disabled. It should only be there as an option for those who are really paranoid, the Joe Averages who never even tinker with their OS anyway and are too tech illiterate to avoid malware, and for enterprise use. Its my computer, I will not be told what I can and cannot freaking run on it. Its bad enough this is an issue with modern cellphones (which has snowballed into me even having to emulators on some of them to run ARMv7 apps, and use tools to bypass "for your safety" legacy app blocking at times), if it comes to computers that will be super unacceptable at best. My device, MY choice. I will not be forced to run exclusively big brother approved operating systems, at a minimum that would kill a large multiboot project of mine and at worst do much worse things. I will not be told "oh you modded that software/game without the author's legal approval and violated your disassembler's terms of service, you can't run that its not trusted or safe boo hoo". Whether it is my pile of Coppermine, Dothan and Northwood based retro systems, or my modern Ryzen gaming computers, nobody has any right to tell me how I use my own property and I will not believe nonsense "secure boot is for your own good" crap. I can tolerate it on cell phones to some degree but even that sucks, computers on the other hand... freaking unacceptable at best. And for anyone complaining about signature verification for flashing BIOS, AFAIK you can do whatever you want with it if you have one of those chip programmers but I have not tried personally. If anything I bet those of us like myself who have even half decent binary reversing/patching skills will be the secret unsung heros in a future dystopia. I'll happily accept the challenge of removing forced secure boot from my devices if I have to, its probably still gonna be easier than fixing undocumentably cursed issues on cutting edge fab tools at my old job so I can probably handle it.

When your operating systen ticks more boxes on the malware scale than “actual” malware…

cleanroom_dweller wrote on 2026-02-15, 05:28:

Secure boot is nonsense, literally fascist, if not allowed to be disabled. It should only be there as an option for those who are really paranoid, the Joe Averages who never even tinker with their OS anyway and are too tech illiterate to avoid malware, and for enterprise use. Its my computer, I will not be told what I can and cannot freaking run on it. Its bad enough this is an issue with modern cellphones (which has snowballed into me even having to emulators on some of them to run ARMv7 apps, and use tools to bypass "for your safety" legacy app blocking at times), if it comes to computers that will be super unacceptable at best. My device, MY choice. I will not be forced to run exclusively big brother approved operating systems, at a minimum that would kill a large multiboot project of mine and at worst do much worse things. I will not be told "oh you modded that software/game without the author's legal approval and violated your disassembler's terms of service, you can't run that its not trusted or safe boo hoo". Whether it is my pile of Coppermine, Dothan and Northwood based retro systems, or my modern Ryzen gaming computers, nobody has any right to tell me how I use my own property and I will not believe nonsense "secure boot is for your own good" crap. I can tolerate it on cell phones to some degree but even that sucks, computers on the other hand... freaking unacceptable at best. And for anyone complaining about signature verification for flashing BIOS, AFAIK you can do whatever you want with it if you have one of those chip programmers but I have not tried personally. If anything I bet those of us like myself who have even half decent binary reversing/patching skills will be the secret unsung heros in a future dystopia. I'll happily accept the challenge of removing forced secure boot from my devices if I have to, its probably still gonna be easier than fixing undocumentably cursed issues on cutting edge fab tools at my old job so I can probably handle it.

st31276a wrote on 2026-02-15, 12:39:

When your operating systen ticks more boxes on the malware scale than “actual” malware…

Brothers! THANK YOU!
Your words flow like music for my soul!!!

And to all fellow retrocomputing enthusiasts... I was just pushing my nostalgia at max by searching "486 computer" on Amazon (Italy).... 🤣 and look at what gem came up!!! Like, really? I ordered it immediately!:

Descriptions like:
"before silicon valley preached equity"
"LAN parties were battlegrounds for glory, not sensitivity workshops" 🤣!!!
"the myth that progress means surrendering to soy-boy SaaS or feminist reboots" [I don't know what SaaS means, but I guess I'd agree. Haven't looked it up yet]
"why DOOMguy's shotgun diplomacy beats therapy-speak" (AHAHAHAH)
"physical media trumps cloud-simp servitude" (OOOOOOH MAN!!!! THIS SENTENCE IS EPIC!!!! THIS HAS JUST BECOME ONE OF MY signatures!!!!!!
"burn the woke code"
"the 486 didn't apologize-neither should you"
"Available until the thought-police raid the print queue" (unmissable reference to Orwell)
"Discover how overclocking became the ultimate middle finger to corporate mediocrity"

This guy got grit!

I usually ABHORR self-published books, and avoid them like the plague. A couple of times I fell into the trap, few years ago, and I found in my hands some piece of ai-poorly-generated, poorly-formatted, errors and mistakes-filled manure crap.
But in this case I made an exception. And if it's AI-manure, I'll return it right away! It deserves a shot...

aries-mu wrote on 2026-02-16, 11:13:

...And if it's AI-manure...

Is that a double-wire reversible mouse on the cover?

Reads like slop with bonus misogyny.

Fazeshift wrote on 2026-02-24, 23:24:

aries-mu wrote on 2026-02-16, 11:13:

...And if it's AI-manure...

Is that a double-wire reversible mouse on the cover?

AHAHAHAHAHAH! 🤣 right!
Well, the picture already was no-doubt AI... I meant the text...

jmarsh wrote on 2026-02-25, 00:27:

Reads like slop with bonus misogyny.

About misogyny, I see it differently. I see a lot of misandry around, and the text being a response to it.
The famous half full-half empty glass... who knows

I am a retired gamer. I 100% lost interest in gaming when buying the disk was no longer enough.

My first copies of Diablo1 and Starcraft were bootlegged. I enjoyed the games so much that I bought legit copies just to support the company (Blizzard). Same with Quake and quite a few others. Everything wanting a subscription is just nuts.

When it comes to anti-malware & antivirus I always tell folk 'if all they can do is predict doom & gloom until you buy a subscription, you don't need it'.

Twisted Six wrote on 2026-02-25, 14:55:

I am a retired gamer. I 100% lost interest in gaming when buying the disk was no longer enough.

My first copies of Diablo1 and Starcraft were bootlegged. I enjoyed the games so much that I bought legit copies just to support the company (Blizzard). Same with Quake and quite a few others. Everything wanting a subscription is just nuts.

When it comes to anti-malware & antivirus I always tell folk 'if all they can do is predict doom & gloom until you buy a subscription, you don't need it'.

I hear you brother!

cyclone3d wrote on 2026-02-11, 18:35:

So what if you have to have UEFI for modern OSes and very new boards do not support legacy booting. It was always going to move […]
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So what if you have to have UEFI for modern OSes and very new boards do not support legacy booting. It was always going to move away from legacy BIOS to something else due to security concerns.

And if you want to run an old OS on new hardware that doesn't have support for such things as ISA and AGP, then run a VM or other emulation software.

There is a point where stuff is obsolete and is only used by those who want to use it and don't expect it to work with or like new hardware.

Since we don't like security, let's go back to the time where there was zero security for online purchases and you could use a credit card number generator and the randomly generated card number would be approved.

Let's also get rid of all safety features on vehicles while we are at it.

Building codes are just a stifling thing for people to build buildings.

We can also go back to using asbestos since it worked so well. Cancer... Who cares about cancer?

It's because of knee-jerk reactions like these that things usually get *worse* (more restricive and draconian vis-a-vis of utility) and not better.

The whole idea that "they know better than we" has gone to an extreme when "we" no longer have a chance. "We" who have intelligence and want options, are having them taken away. Very often because of corporate greed, graft, and / or all the wrong reasons.

Think about that. If I want to still use asbestos, and I know might give me cancer, I should be able to -- as long as I do not harm anyone else by doing so! The cancer risk is greatly, greatly exaggerated, by the way by those with an economic agenda. Now, cigarettes, THERE'S a cancer risk.

zyzzle wrote on 2026-02-26, 23:37:

It's because of knee-jerk reactions like these that things usually get *worse* (more restricive and draconian vis-a-vis of utility) and not better.

The whole idea that "they know better than we" has gone to an extreme when "we" no longer have a chance. "We" who have intelligence and want options, are having them taken away. Very often because of corporate greed, graft, and / or all the wrong reasons.

Think about that. If I want to still use asbestos, and I know might give me cancer, I should be able to -- as long as I do not harm anyone else by doing so! The cancer risk is greatly, greatly exaggerated, by the way by those with an economic agenda. Now, cigarettes, THERE'S a cancer risk.

Absolutely brother!
At the end of the day, it all boils down to the growing violation of the fundamental human rights and freedoms.
There is dissidence in the world, although it is a minority compared to the general population. However, the standard methods used by 'dissidents' don't work, cannot work: protests, violence (even worse, it grants the excuse of further restrictions later), strikes, fiscal strikes, petitions... Long story. Furthermore, even if they worked (they don't, but let's pretend for a moment), to be significant they would require the participation of the entire population, or at least a large chunk of it, which makes them impossible. Utopia.
There is a strategy which:
1) is effective and works. It can truly defeat the system, not just in one country, not just one government, but worldwide and undermine the very mechanisms of power that also move entire governments like pawns
2) does NOT require the involvement of millions of people, just a few thousands in one major country, to begin with. With a few tens of thousands, we defeat them for good.

It has started, it is growing. Whoever is interested in actually doing something can message me.
Not selling anything. Not requiring to subscribe to any 'organization'. Won't require any data, subscriptions, personal information, nothing. Won't even be asked your name or email. It's free, you won't be asked for a dime. You get trained at your pace. Everybody can do it, there are actions and strategies for literally everybody. We have even old women in their 80s, even some on a wheelchair. You get trained on what can be done, how, and why. Then it's your discretion to choose if to do anything and, if so, what to do, where, when, and with what frequency. Rigorously non-violent, but strategic. A set of primitive and modern techniques, never used before in the human history.

Great another nut job, just what the planet needed.

badmojo wrote on 2026-02-27, 13:09:

Great another nut job, just what the planet needed.

wanna bet 100 USD that's serious?

So what are we betting on? That you're part of an secret enlightened movement who are using a set of techniques to fight back against violations of humanity's fundamental human rights and freedoms? These techniques are both primitive and modern at the same time somehow, and you guys are so unique and special that you're doing something never before seen in human history? (who confirmed that BTW? One of your 80 year old women?)

You'll have to at least dot point these techniques here for me before I commit my 100USD. But do you even need my money? If you're able to move entire governments like pawns then surely manipulating finance systems would be childsplay.

At this point, I'm not sure if this is a troll, a bigot, or someone having a psychotic episode. And I'm not saying that last one to offend, it genuinely looks concerning. I've seen it before. Mental health is no joke.

"Secure" Boot can go to hell, though.

I have found that trying to herd normies for some cause never works. They don’t understand and don’t care. Focusing on what you can control yields the best results.

I have also totally lost my taste for the new stuff. I don’t own anything that can secure boot, neither do I intend to. Problems like these are best fixed with an axe and a back actor.

As for what to do about the the world “going to shit” best suggestion I have is bitcoin in self custody and tor. The node and wallet software compiles and runs just fine over tor on pentium4 class hardware, which is pre-ME and pre-UEFI.

Not wveryone’s taste, I know, but if this bothers you I would start exploring in that direction.

badmojo wrote on 2026-02-27, 21:57:

So what are we betting on? That you're part of an secret enlightened movement who are using a set of techniques to fight back against violations of humanity's fundamental human rights and freedoms? These techniques are both primitive and modern at the same time somehow, and you guys are so unique and special that you're doing something never before seen in human history? (who confirmed that BTW? One of your 80 year old women?)

You'll have to at least dot point these techniques here for me before I commit my 100USD. But do you even need my money? If you're able to move entire governments like pawns then surely manipulating finance systems would be childsplay.

Brother, what you are asking me, to put it here in writing, takes a lot of time. I'll be happy to do that, but it's gonna take a while for me to find that kind of time.
Tell you what, why don't you join an audio call on Telegram? somebody will tell you what it entails: the pillars of the strategy, why they work, how, what proves that they work (objective proofs, and with numbers), how it started, where it is now, where it is heading... And you can ask all the questions you want. If your main language is not English, you can be served in Italian, German, French, Spanish, Portuguese, and Romanian.

Meanwhile, here's a couple of short audios you can listen:

t.me/vvvvvincuk/4443

t.me/vvvvvincuk/4444

By the way: very against AI and plans to stop it as well (not doable right now, it will require other steps first for reasons available to be discussed).

Lemme know if and when you're available for a voice chat and I'll direct you to somebody.

The invitation is open to y'all guys.

Oh and, before judging something, at least get to know it first.
(Not a no-judge advocate here. I do judge, sure. I'm not a hypocrite. But first, get to know, then judge).

Almost forgot...

badmojo wrote on 2026-02-27, 21:57:

So what are we betting on?

How about you get shown significant and numerous government's reactions and employment of men and logistics in response to actions that take a few minutes and one or two people, everything thoroughly and publicly documented?
Or putting Facebook down for hours, with Meta hiring an agency to study the phenomenon, which concluded: "these people... know what they are doing".
Or forcing mainstream media (local and regional at the moment, but occasionally also national and international) to say and show things that they would absolutely never dare saying or showing, with some actions so impacting that sometimes they were covered overseas, such as on the Washington Post or even in India?
Would that suffice to prove to you that it is serious?

TechieDude wrote on Yesterday, 02:27:

At this point, I'm not sure if this is a troll, a bigot, or someone having a psychotic episode. And I'm not saying that last one to offend, it genuinely looks concerning. I've seen it before. Mental health is no joke.
"Secure" Boot can go to hell, though.

You wanna bet too bro?

Well, I'm very libertarian, and highly critical about various modern idiocies... but I'm not interested in making anti-vaccine graffiti 😜

Also, my first association with "anti-VAX" is the VAX vs. RISC / VMS vs. Unix holy war...
"Nothing sucks like a VAX!" 🤣
http://catb.org/jargon/html/V/VAX.html

I'll bet that this thread will end up locked since it's obviously all been a ruse for self-promotion.

Grzyb wrote on Today, 02:44:

Well, I'm very libertarian, and highly critical about various modern idiocies... but I'm not interested in making anti-vaccine graffiti 😜

• Graffiti are not at all the only strategy. They are an important piece of the puzzle, mostly to:
a) act as an antidote, for minds, against the psychological-emotional propaganda of the globalist regime attacking and manipulating every breathing individual to extents that one can't even begin to imagine (the layers of manipulation are unimaginable)
b) act as a way to trigger the system into showing people its true face
c) act as a way to overwhelm the system, both its logistics and manpower (a 10 minutes graffiti made with a 4 bucks spray paint bottle can keep dozens of system agents busy for months (city operators who go and clean up the wall within a few hours, while the same wall had other generic graffiti there untouched for YEARS, and they just clean the anti-propganda sentence, but leave all the other graffiti in place; also, several police constables and officers come, the scientific department, agents reviewing cameras' recordings for months... all that for a 10-minutes action made by 1 individual)
d) act as training ground. There's thorough training, A to Z, to being non-trackable despite countless cameras everywhere. This is very preparatory to future needs, and not just the techniques and physical training. Also psychologically.

• Then again, vacc1nes are not at all the only topic addressed.

Guys, the situation is serious, worldwide. We stay passive, we end up slaves.

Grzyb wrote on Today, 02:44:

Also, my first association with "anti-VAX" is the VAX vs. RISC / VMS vs. Unix holy war...
"Nothing sucks like a VAX!" 🤣
http://catb.org/jargon/html/V/VAX.html

ahah I didn't know that!

jmarsh wrote on Today, 05:00:

I'll bet that this thread will end up locked since it's obviously all been a ruse for self-promotion.

Oh you are mistaken brother.
This is:
1) Not a ruse
2) Not "self"
3) Not "promotion"

1) Not a ruse.
I created this post genuinely out of pure retro-computing nostalgia and a silly desire to dream about founding a company and a factory to re-make retro tech. I have no idea what that would entail, and I thought well to ask you people here. Then, I was surprised to find out how numerous of you are also against modern BS, both on the purely IT-side and on the technocracy side! Positively surprised! After all, this is a retrocomputing forum, populated by lots of good old-fashioned persons. Then one thing led to another, and I felt it important to let some of you guys know that there's an effective and realistic strategy to fight back what's turning the world into a dystopian technocratic nightmare. Actually, had I not mentioned it, it would have been unethical, if not even dishonest. Like: seeing a bunch of brothers complaining and worrying about what's going on, knowing what ANYBODY can do, and telling them nothing!

2) Not "self".
Man! I am honored if you thought that the above-mentioned Fighting Force is 'mine' (hence "self"), but you're greatly mistaken. That is a creature of a bunch of geniuses. Individuals who used to work as experts in solving low-resolving potential conflicts, both in civil and military settings, whom also contributed to creating AI and consulted for intelligence agencies. They knew all this was coming. In 2020 they detected the beginning of the acceleration of the creation of the global, technocratic, dystopian, totalitarian regime, so they sit at a table for months and devised a way to fight-back, point by point, step by step, addressing every single strength of the regime, as well as exploiting every single weak point of it.
Me? I'm just a dude. I am nobody and nothing. So definitely not "self" promoting.
When any of us here recommend a GPU, are we self-promoting? If I recommend an AM486 DX4 120 for a retro build, am I self-promoting? Who am I? AMD? the AMD CEO? nope. I'm just a fan of their products.
I posted 2 links to 2 audios of the Fighting Force. Well, even when I recommend a Cirrus Logic for a retro system here I post a link to the card description. Even if I post the link to a modern piece of tech which is still in the market, say an nVidia card, I am not "self" promoting! I wish I were nVidia's owner.

3) Not "promoting".
• The ViVi Fighting Force is like a training 'method', not even a school or a gym. It trains every citizen to become independently skilled and capable of effectively fighting back, non-violently but effectively, realistically, and strategically.
• Think of it like this, I'll use an analogy. Imagine I meet people and we are talking about the problem of bullies, or women being assaulted, or other abuses by delinquents. I intervene and recommend them to train and practice muay thai to learn how to self-defend. Am I promoting? What am I promoting? A specific 'gym'? Nope. Am I the owner of any gym? Nope. Have I written a book about muay thai? Nope. Do I have a muay thai online course? Nope. I am rather recommending a 'technique'. Then it will be up to anybody to choose what gym to attend, or what book to buy, or what online course to follow. I am just a fan of the technique.
• The ViVi Fighting Force doesn't sell anything. It won't ask for a dime. It doesn't ask for subscriptions to anything. It is completely anonymous and trains people on being anonymous and untrackable, both on the physical territory and with the tech devices. It won't ask for your personal information, nor registrations. It does NOT WANT to know your info, nor who you are. It won't even ask you for your name or email, ever. Actually, anonymity is a necessary requirement to be trained. And it's completely free. Only volunteers. 100% non-profit.
Nothing like 'promoting' anything.

Heck, when in this forum we recommend a CPU or another piece of hardware, it is being sold somewhere by somebody for profit. The ViVi Fighting Force consists in skilled volunteers willing to train you completely free of charge.

We're in great danger. Our children, YOUR children are in great danger. Our fundamental rights and freedoms are at stake. EVERYTHING is at stake: our lives, our food, our jobs, our health, our animals, the animals, farms, businesses, families, industries, economies, trees, bees, everything. We're heading towards criminal worldwide depopulation and total slavery via a so powerful and modern technology that, in comparison, Hitler was a school kid.
This is vital!

Instead of worrying about all this, what do you worry about? About the post to be locked because of self-promotion?
Dude! For your sake!!!