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First post, by Rekrul

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I have a Samsung brand, 256GB USB flash drive. It was working fine. Now however, I'm getting EXTREMELY slow read speeds from it. Like sometimes in the 150KB/s range. Some files will copy fast, but others take ages. Sometimes if I remove the drive and re-insert it, a file that was previously slow will suddenly be fast, but then others will be slow.

There also doesn't seem to be any pattern to which files will be slow, although, since larger files naturally take longer to copy, there's higher probability that they will slow down to a crawl before they finish copying.

I've tried it in every USB port on three different systems, and gotten the same results on all of them. I've run chkdsk, and the error checking from the properties/tools tab, and both say the drive is is fine. Obviously it's not.

I know this almost certainly means the drive is shot, and I've been copying everything off it, but it's slow going. I'm curious if this has happened to anyone else, or if anyone knows what would cause this.

I've been using that drive on a daily basis for a while now, but I was under the impression that when a flash drive fails, or hits the maximum number of writes, that you would have problems writing to it. I've never heard of a failing flash drive lowering the read speeds.

To be clear, as far as I can tell, all of the files still read OK, most of them just read VERY slowly.

Reply 1 of 12, by auron

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their 840 evo drives had a problem where read speeds on old files would drop a lot over time and they had to issue a firmware update that would periodically refresh the data. you probably won't get a firmware update for a flash drive, but see if re-writing the data improves the read speed.

Reply 2 of 12, by Rekrul

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auron wrote on 2024-12-04, 15:08:

their 840 evo drives had a problem where read speeds on old files would drop a lot over time and they had to issue a firmware update that would periodically refresh the data. you probably won't get a firmware update for a flash drive, but see if re-writing the data improves the read speed.

How can I do that without first reading the data?

The drive has a bunch of files I've saved from all over the place, and it would a royal pain in the ass to try to find them all again. I want to copy them all off to another drive, but that's been an extremely slow process. Some of the files can take literal hours to copy and I'm only about 10% done. 🙁

Reply 3 of 12, by RetroGamer4Ever

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Check the model number in Google, to see if there is any known issue with the product in question and Samsung's Magician software can do diagnostics and firmware updates on the USB flash drive for you.

Reply 4 of 12, by Rekrul

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RetroGamer4Ever wrote on 2024-12-04, 18:36:

Check the model number in Google, to see if there is any known issue with the product in question and Samsung's Magician software can do diagnostics and firmware updates on the USB flash drive for you.

According to Amazon (I no longer have the package, and there's no model number on the drive), it's a "BAR Plus 256GB - 400MB/s USB 3.1 Flash Drive Titan Gray (MUF-256BE4/AM)". I didn't see anything mentioned in Google, and Samsung's Magician software seems to require Windows 10, which I don't have.

Reply 5 of 12, by swaaye

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I have a terrible external ONN brand SSD that I got cheap at Walmart that does this. If data is on it for about a week, it slows to about 8MB/s on read. Put fresh data on it and it's back at 200-300 MB/s. I've even filled it to capacity and verified the files without issue. I figure the flash chips are legit but garbage. It has a popular DRAM-less Silicon Motion controller, even UASP support. The NAND chips aren't identifiable.

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Reply 6 of 12, by Rekrul

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swaaye wrote on 2024-12-04, 19:20:

I have a terrible external ONN brand SSD that I got cheap at Walmart that does this to the extreme. If data is on it for about a week, it slows to about 8MB/s on read.

[Cue Monty Python Sketch]

8MB/s??? Oh I WISH I was getting 8MB/s! What I wouldn't give for 8MB/s! 😉

swaaye wrote on 2024-12-04, 19:20:

Put fresh data on it and it's back at 200-300 MB/s. I've even filled it to capacity and verified the files without issue. I figure the flash chips are legit but garbage. It has a popular DRAM-less Silicon Motion controller, even UASP support.

I haven't tried to write anything to the flash drive. I didn't want to risk making things worse.

Reply 7 of 12, by swaaye

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Rekrul wrote on 2024-12-04, 19:26:

8MB/s??? Oh I WISH I was getting 8MB/s! What I wouldn't give for 8MB/s! 😉
I haven't tried to write anything to the flash drive. I didn't want to risk making things worse.

Heh heh. Yeah don't write anything to it. Just get your data off it and then get rid of it.

Reply 8 of 12, by auron

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Rekrul wrote on 2024-12-04, 18:55:
RetroGamer4Ever wrote on 2024-12-04, 18:36:

Check the model number in Google, to see if there is any known issue with the product in question and Samsung's Magician software can do diagnostics and firmware updates on the USB flash drive for you.

According to Amazon (I no longer have the package, and there's no model number on the drive), it's a "BAR Plus 256GB - 400MB/s USB 3.1 Flash Drive Titan Gray (MUF-256BE4/AM)". I didn't see anything mentioned in Google, and Samsung's Magician software seems to require Windows 10, which I don't have.

they say to use 7.3 in that case.

Reply 9 of 12, by Rekrul

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auron wrote on 2024-12-04, 20:08:

they say to use 7.3 in that case.

I didn't see that. To be honest, I didn't even see a download. I just kept scrolling down the page and it kept loading more and more crap telling me about how fantastic Magician was.

Reply 10 of 12, by alarchy

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I know this is old, sorry for the necro, but I had this same issue and solved it - the drive is now at full speed for reads again. It tested perfectly fine in CrystalDiskMark, so newly written data could be read fine, but reading old data caused 1000ms average response time and <5MB/s reads of even large files.

I posted here on reddit, but will also put the text here.

TL;DR - I deleted about 1/3 of the capacity (so, 20GB of a 60GB partition) and read operations for existing data immediately improved. Writing the data back, there is no impact to read speeds on the old data, so it's not raw capacity left/used, but I think I somehow triggered a garbage collection process?


I'm not sure if this will be helpful to you, but I recently had this issue with my 3 year old Samsung Bar Plus 64GB (model: MUF-64BE4/AM) drive, and it was driving me nuts. I came across your post as I was desperately searching for anyone else with this issue.

The issue:

read speeds for a copy operation from the Samsung flash drive to a fast NVMe fixed disk were abysmal. hovering below 5MB/s 90% of the time and rising up to ~20MB/s briefly, sometimes going to 150MB/s for a few seconds.
windows task manager showed average response time of ~1000ms when reading or even doing a simple "properties" on a folder to enumerate file counts/size
a Lexar M45 64GB drive on the same port had zero issues reading/writing

Things tried:

CrystalDiskMark and Samsung Magician's benchmarks showed the drive was full speed (so newly written files for the test worked just fine)
changing ports and devices didn't do anything
using windows explorer copy dialogue or TeraCopy didn't make a difference
write operations were normal at ~35MB/s
all disk checks and scans were fine, including a surface/sector scan
Samsung Magician verified the flash drive is genuine and healthy

What fixed it:

I deleted ~1/3 of the total space (~20GB) from the drive

My rambling below:

I was using about 40GB of the 60GB partition (~68% utilized), so as a last ditch I started deleting ISOs from it. I deleted 20GB, so now it's ~34% utilized, and doing the same copy operations as I was before are now full speed again. I then re-copied the ISOs back to the drive, periodically testing speeds of a copy operation, and even when I filled the drive back up to where it was the read speeds stayed fine...

The only thing I can think of: maybe deleting a large portion of files somehow triggered some sort of internal garbage collection?

Makes no sense, unless it's because I hardly use this and it's something to do with NAND cells losing charge and the controller massively error correcting? I have no clue.

Hope this helps you or others encountering the same issue.

Reply 11 of 12, by Rekrul

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alarchy wrote on 2026-03-17, 05:51:

Hope this helps you or others encountering the same issue.

Thank you for posting this. I hadn't thought of deleting stuff off the drive.

I'd try it right now, but...

I used a separate computer to back up the majority of the files to a spare hard drive, and now that computer is sitting in the corner under a pile of stuff. At the moment, I'm not 100% sure what's been backed up and what hasn't. I'll need to dig that system out and set it up so I can see what's safe to delete. When I do, I'll make sure to come back and post my results.

For context, I'm very disorganized, and a bit of a hoarder, so my home is VERY cluttered, and I didn't have the room to leave the other system set up. I always intended to go back and try copying the rest of the stuff, but I got distracted by other stuff, and just never got to it.

Reply 12 of 12, by minesheep

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Flash drive controller may (or may not) automatically refresh data even if it is not used at all, just being powered on. 99+% of flash drives have firmware not "smart" enough to understand any stored data or metadata. Even SSDs need trim command from OS to tell the drive about unneeded data that can be discarded (they don't read or parse the filesystem) I think your data deletion and rewrote was just a coinsidence, If it made other data fast to read too, because it did not delete that data, just a pointer to it. Old data is then gone from that drive only after that logical sector is being overwritten.