Put it in a different case? Make an external enclosure and extension cables so you can use the slots?

There's an old thread about low profile isa soundcards, but with a functional onboard one I question why.

Any low profile ISA/EISA sound card out there.

I'd want to put dualboot svardos + winxp setup on there, and use it for a compact game appliance.

cyclone3d wrote on 2026-03-27, 19:08:

Put it in a different case? Make an external enclosure and extension cables so you can use the slots?

Yeah, it does seem to me that better use could be made out of the Tualatin with a full-size PCI slot.

wierd_w wrote on 2026-03-27, 19:11:

There's an old thread about low profile isa soundcards, but with a functional onboard one I question why.

Any low profile ISA/EISA sound card out there.

I'd want to put dualboot svardos + winxp setup on there, and use it for a compact game appliance.

I would think that it wont be as compatible as genuine soundblaster. But, yeah, I should try onboard audio

A PicoGUS and a WP32 or WavetablePi

wierd_w wrote on 2026-03-27, 19:11:

I'd want to put dualboot svardos + winxp setup on there, and use it for a compact game appliance.

I have never heard of svardos. I see now that it was based on FreeDOS (which I have heard of).

Is there any reason in particular you'd use that OS over MS-DOS?

NeoG_ wrote on 2026-03-27, 21:24:

A PicoGUS and a WP32 or WavetablePi

I have been considering getting a PicoGUS for another PC. But that isn't low profile, so won't fit in this case.

I kinda bought this PC without looking properly. Just saw ISA and Tualatin then hit the "Buy" button, as was cheap. I noticed afterwards the lack of AGP.

I have a similar board. I use it only for testing Tualatin CPUs without taking apart my primary Tually PC (which has TUSL2).

I also ran windows 7 on it, for a good laugh. The 20GB drive was basically completely consumed and it took maybe 4+ hours? Absolutely useless after that, 🤣 No drivers for the VGA or audio in windows 7, not that it matters much; absolute slug-fest

Oldest, slowest PC I ever installed 7 on, don't think it's possible to sink any lower than that.

Lack of AGP seems like a big hindrance to a Tualatin level system. Unless maybe running a Voodoo4 or 5 PCI card maybe?

But if the intent is to keep it in the existing case, then not a lot of options.

Major Jackyl wrote on 2026-03-27, 22:22:

I have a similar board. I use it only for testing Tualatin CPUs without taking apart my primary Tually PC (which has TUSL2). […]
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I have a similar board. I use it only for testing Tualatin CPUs without taking apart my primary Tually PC (which has TUSL2).

I also ran windows 7 on it, for a good laugh. The 20GB drive was basically completely consumed and it took maybe 4+ hours? Absolutely useless after that, 🤣 No drivers for the VGA or audio in windows 7, not that it matters much; absolute slug-fest

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Oldest, slowest PC I ever installed 7 on, don't think it's possible to sink any lower than that.

You should have used a SSD and some later PCI card like Geforce 8400GS. It would be completely other experience.

kixs wrote on 2026-03-27, 23:23:

Major Jackyl wrote on 2026-03-27, 22:22:

I have a similar board. I use it only for testing Tualatin CPUs without taking apart my primary Tually PC (which has TUSL2). […]
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I have a similar board. I use it only for testing Tualatin CPUs without taking apart my primary Tually PC (which has TUSL2).

I also ran windows 7 on it, for a good laugh. The 20GB drive was basically completely consumed and it took maybe 4+ hours? Absolutely useless after that, 🤣 No drivers for the VGA or audio in windows 7, not that it matters much; absolute slug-fest

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Oldest, slowest PC I ever installed 7 on, don't think it's possible to sink any lower than that.

You should have used a SSD and some later PCI card like Geforce 8400GS. It would be completely other experience.

Not sure if any of my PCI SATA cards would've booted it, so getting an SSD on this board could be tricky. Best I could've done in the GPU department is a 5200, which is the "last" nvidia PCI card? 8400GS is a PCI-e card. I've NEVER seen anything higher than 5 series in PCI form. I don't have drivers for 5 series or lower for windows 7, either, so I would need to find some of those. Thinking about it sounds like a hassle, 🤣 Only to waste the ISA in the end because windows 7 doesn't know anything about it.

RetroPCCupboard wrote on 2026-03-27, 22:09:

NeoG_ wrote on 2026-03-27, 21:24:

A PicoGUS and a WP32 or WavetablePi

I have been considering getting a PicoGUS for another PC. But that isn't low profile, so won't fit in this case.

I kinda bought this PC without looking properly. Just saw ISA and Tualatin then hit the "Buy" button, as was cheap. I noticed afterwards the lack of AGP.

Oh dang that ISA slot is a writeoff

Who needs AGP when you have AMR?!?! 😀
ISA slot is more of a DOS thing, so I dont see lack of AGP as a problem. Savage4 has excellent DOS compatibility.
PLE133T is VIA 694T + Savage4. Not great, not quite terrible. ~Banshee performance? Will play UT fine.

I have just been looking what graphics cards I have in PCI. I have Geforce FX 5500, Geforce 6200, TNT 2 M64, Matrox Mistique 220, Matrox Millennium 8Mb, Voodoo 2 12Mb, nVidia Riva 128, a few S3 videos cards.

Obviously none of these are low profile, but I could, as suggested, move this motherboard to a full size case.

I also have a Radeon 7000 64Mb PCI

BTW, I should mention that I do already have a Tualatin 1.4Ghz machine in a full case. With Geforce 2 Ti. So I wasnt really looking to build something too similar to that. There is no ISA slot in that full desktop Tualatin.

I think this little SFF case that this Tualatin came in is kinda cute:

I could put something else in this case, if its a waste of a Tualatin. For example a Pentium 4 or Core 2 Duo with a low profile GPU and soundcard (or keep the onboard audio).

Or I could keep it, as is, for a really overpowered DOS machine. The Trident graphics, I would assume, is ok for DOS? As I said in my first post, the onboard sound does appear to have some kind of soundblaster compatability:

Maybe I could put my NuXT motherboard in here, and put a 5.25" 360Drive instead of the current optical drive....

Major Jackyl wrote on 2026-03-27, 22:22:

I have a similar board. I use it only for testing Tualatin CPUs without taking apart my primary Tually PC (which has TUSL2). […]
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I have a similar board. I use it only for testing Tualatin CPUs without taking apart my primary Tually PC (which has TUSL2).

I also ran windows 7 on it, for a good laugh. The 20GB drive was basically completely consumed and it took maybe 4+ hours? Absolutely useless after that, 🤣 No drivers for the VGA or audio in windows 7, not that it matters much; absolute slug-fest

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Oldest, slowest PC I ever installed 7 on, don't think it's possible to sink any lower than that.

Yikes. You are brave to try Windows 7 on it!

Shponglefan wrote on 2026-03-27, 22:32:

Lack of AGP seems like a big hindrance to a Tualatin level system. Unless maybe running a Voodoo4 or 5 PCI card maybe?

But if the intent is to keep it in the existing case, then not a lot of options.

Unfortunately I do not have a PCI Voodoo 4 or 5. Or Voodoo 3 PCI for that matter.

rasz_pl wrote on 2026-03-28, 01:53:

Who needs AGP when you have AMR?!?! 😀
ISA slot is more of a DOS thing, so I dont see lack of AGP as a problem. Savage4 has excellent DOS compatibility.
PLE133T is VIA 694T + Savage4. Not great, not quite terrible. ~Banshee performance? Will play UT fine.

Is it Savage 4? I read somewhere that this chipset had Trident Blade3D?

Major Jackyl wrote on 2026-03-27, 23:46:

Not sure if any of my PCI SATA cards would've booted it, so getting an SSD on this board could be tricky. Best I could've done in the GPU department is a 5200, which is the "last" nvidia PCI card? 8400GS is a PCI-e card. I've NEVER seen anything higher than 5 series in PCI form. I don't have drivers for 5 series or lower for windows 7, either, so I would need to find some of those. Thinking about it sounds like a hassle, 🤣 Only to waste the ISA in the end because windows 7 doesn't know anything about it.

I have a PCI Geforce 6200 and also a PCI Geforce FX 550o. Both are full height though. The 550o is not an official nVidia product as far as I know. I think a third party has used 5200 GPUs, over-clocked them slightly and put a 128-bit bus for the memory

Yeah, the manual for the motherboard on Gigabyte website says this:

On-Board VGA - Build in Trident Blade 3D/Pro Media in VT8601T

rasz_pl wrote on 2026-03-28, 01:53:

PLE133T is VIA 694T + Savage4. Not great, not quite terrible. ~Banshee performance? Will play UT fine.

I think I see the confusion now.

PL133T has Savage 4
PLE133T has Trident Blade3D

At least that's what a quick web search is telling me.

The savage4 is apparently in the region of 30-50% faster than the Blade3D, and it supports T&L, where the Blade3D does not....

RetroPCCupboard wrote on 2026-03-27, 21:41:

wierd_w wrote on 2026-03-27, 19:11:

I'd want to put dualboot svardos + winxp setup on there, and use it for a compact game appliance.

I have never heard of svardos. I see now that it was based on FreeDOS (which I have heard of).

Is there any reason in particular you'd use that OS over MS-DOS?

It can start win3.11 😁

Also, it's based on released DR-DOS sources, not freedos sources.